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Page move

Hi. When moving pages, please do not do this via copy-and-pasting the text from one article to another, as you did with Olympiacos and Olympiakos. The correct procedure is detailed in WP:MOVE and (in simple cases) just by using the "move" button on any page. Cheers --Pak21 10:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, further to that, could you explain why you think the page should be at Olympiakos? Certainly the official website is at [1]. Also, you have broken both the external link to the official website and the category filing by your edit – please take care in future. Cheers --Pak21 11:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I have just undone your move; if you feel it should be moved, I suggest you bring this up at Talk:Olympiacos, where the subject has previously been discussed. Cheers --Pak21 11:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Van Der Sar

He's been wearing #1 all pre season. Foster has been wearing #19. Don't rely on the official web shite - it only recognised Howard as going to Everton yesterday!

Pre-season numbers mean nothing. There has been no official announcement about squad number changes for the coming season other than Carrick and Kuszczak's numbers. Anyway, since Fozzy is now out on loan, the fact that he was wearing #19 is moot. PeeJay 21:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You were saying?? ;-)

I was saying that there hadn't been an official announcement at the time. Wikipedia is a database of facts, not conjecture. The squad numbers have now been announced, so it would appear you were right, but we can't afford to assume until there's been an official announcement. PeeJay 19:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Concerning British English grammar

Hello! I hope you are feeling fine. I would like to clarify with you a recent edit you made with regards to the Manchester United F.C article on 00:29, 10 September 2006. In that edit, with regards to grammar, you changed the are to is in the opening sentence of the article. Incidently, I changed it a few days ago, in line with the discussion which is currently going on at the talk page of the article. Moreover, I would like to encourage you to read this article, which would aid you in the final decision you would be making about this. I would like to strongly encourage you to discuss this matter in the talk page of the Manchester United article under the sub-section of A note on British English. Your comments and views would be greatly welcomed over this. Thank you for your patience and kind understanding in this matter. If you fail to voice out any objections you may have over this, I shall change the grammar style of this article in line with British English standards. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 02:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments on my edit. However, I changed it to "Manchester United is a world-famous English football club" because the standard form of "to be" is "is" when put with a singular noun, which "Manchester United" is.

Hats off to the Buskers

Please stop changing ""Gran's for Tea" to the grammatically incorrect "Grans for Tea". They are not eating plural grans but talking of being at gran's house (possessive) for tea. Here's the link to the official album description on the Columbia (parent of 1965 records) site. http://www.columbia.co.uk/releases/401/.Here's the same info at Sony http://www.sonybmgmusic.co.uk/releases/401/ Note the apostrophe. Also I have the album as well and there is a clear gap between the n and s in the handwritten version. Citizensmith 11:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Wales Rugby

Pliz dont make anymore changes to Wales national rugby union team or it might be recognised as Vandalism andif you want to know the reason for removing the fixtures pliz talk to Shudda--Cometstyles 00:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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Edit war on Wigan Athletic F.C.

Please discuss changes to the kit image rather than simply reverting them, preferably with more civility than calling changes "shit". If the current pattern continues, you and User:FootyStavros are likely to break the three-revert rule. Oldelpaso 09:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I made a new Wigan pattern. Have you seen it yet? I think it looks better.[2] FootyStavros 19:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Magners League

Thanx for updating the {{2006-07 Magners League Table}}--Cometstyles 17:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Manchester United 1st team squad list.

Hi. Please, before you change the list again, can you go to the Talk page and discuss this. I am also rerquesting that Oragina2 does the same. Thanks. Darkson - BANG! 13:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

Iam not sure why you dont have a userpage but I believe it would be a good idea to redirect your userpage to your talkpage..Cheers:-)..--Cometstyles 13:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Minor reformatting

I have done a minor reformatting on the 2006-07 EPL page. Please do not revert back to the older edits, or else I may report you for vandalism. Thanks. NoseNuggets 12:35 PM US EDT Mar 18 2007

I warned you. Now I have not other choice but to report you for vandalism. NoseNuggets 9:24 PM US EDT Mar 18 2007

Suggestion for 07-08 EPL Uniform section

When the 2007-08 EPL article is created, how about a wikitable listing every team's kit maker and shirt sponsor. Without using the table here, it should look like the following:

TEAM | KIT MAKER | SPONSOR
Arsenal Nike Emirates
Aston Villa Nike 32Red
Blackburn Lonsdale Bet24

And so on.

Good idea? NoseNuggets 2:44 PM US EDT Mar 18 2007

Looks OK, but is it really necessary? I'm happy with the "Changes" section as it is now, so I see no reason to change it for next season. PeeJay 18:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Date formatting

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Your message to me concerning Manchester United

Normally I'd reply on my own talk page but your particular form of rudeness leads me to break from that principle. First of all: cool it, get your facts straight and assume good faith. You write to me as if I continually deface the ManU article, and the word vandal is not something you throw about lightly. Now, if you decide to be rational about this (and refrain from assuming you have travelled more than me or have a greater understanding of the world-wide perception of ManU) you can calmly look at the intro sentence of the article.

Manchester United Football Club are a world-famous English football club, based at the Old Trafford stadium in Trafford, Greater Manchester, and are one of the most popular sports clubs in the world, with over 50 million supporters worldwide.

Adhering to WP:NPOV and WP:WEASEL, this line is just unacceptable, twice buttering up ManU world glory. One is enough, if that. Since WP is an encyclopedia, and not for promotion, we want the article to be above club allegiances and stick to the sobre facts. MURGH ^disc. 18:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Those two statements in that sentence are both mutually exclusive of each other, and also factual. I do not see how either statement is anything other than factual. Granted, they do both glorify the club's support a little, but being well-supported and well-known are two completely different things.

I apologise for the vandal comment, but there is a difference between being bold with your edits and removing something for a reason we have not yet come to concensus on. Again, sorry, but you have to see things from our point of view too. That's the whole idea behind NPOV, isn't it? PeeJay 20:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for apologizing, and yes, I'll absolutely respect a consensus. As I entered the situation, User:Brendyeire made the initial edit which I reviewed and found to be reasonable (considering world-fame was already mentioned elsewhere in the same sentence), so I left it alone. It was when this was reverted without explanation that I saw the need to defend Brendyeire's edit. Thankfully, nothing on WP is written in stone, so no damage done, and consensus should ultimately decide. MURGH ^disc. 20:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi there thanks for the comment. I'm basically addressing the points covered in the peer review. Not altering the content significantly, mainly copy-editing and reformatting so that there are fewer needless subsections etc. Content I'm significantly shortening (staff and possibly stadium) will still be visible on the edit page, meaning if you disagree with a change it will be easy to edit without need for a revert.BeL1EveR 18:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

EDF ENERGY CUP attendance

I found it on the RFU website it said it was that. Like you I was suprised to see such an exact figure and on there it says the figure I included.

Award

		The Original Barnstar
		For your hardwork in making Wikipedia a better place. I, User:Noface1, award you this Original Barnstar. Well done and happy editing! Noface1 18:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I have no vested interest in the article other than making it neutral. You on the other hand, the user who is attempting to cover up what independent sources say have a vested interest to try and sway the article in Manchester United's favour as you are a fan. You also seem to have a heavy bias against the police force. Vandalise my edits and blank my sources to the article again and I'll report you. - Daddy Kindsoul 08:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Whereas you seem to be intent on making Manchester United fans look like the sole instigators of the incident. Feel free to report me, but I think you'll find it is you who is in the wrong. PeeJay 08:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah sure man.I had that article in my watchlist but somehow I seemed to have removed it . Illidan reules 11:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm no. My edit simply added the reality of the situation with sources from media to back it up. Your edit seems very bias, as a United fan you're trying to twist it as if police were acting for no reason at all, when subsequent media reports and statements made by police heads shows otherwise. - Daddy Kindsoul 08:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

United fans didn't "retailate" against police, as video footage showed them throwing objects,[3] kicking at police, etc. Before the later bloody faces United fans scenes occured. The force of the police reaction, is stated in some media forums to have been harsh, but it says police reaction... they were there to react against what the behaviour of some fans. You don't send riot police in if there is nothing to control. - Daddy Kindsoul 09:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

There are no bloody faces, if you look at the picture of the other fans though. The image is from before what was judged by some as a "heavy police response". The police have moved in there, but have not yet started hitting with battons, until United fans threw things (as seen in the image) and kicked at them.

Roma and United fans were reported in the media to be baiting each other during the game. Claiming United are innocent faces angels and Roma fans were somehow mindless thugs there to cause trouble is POV. As I said.. I have no vested interest in either side, I'm not a United or Roma fan... my interest is the neutrality and so that we don't have United fans slyly bashing the police baselessly in the article with weasel words which don't reflect sources and video footage of the events. The police vs. United fans and the alleged "harshness" of their reaction is what made the event notable, Roma fans vs. United fans wasn't the main part of it. - Daddy Kindsoul 09:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

What the hell is your problem?.. you are still blanking the part which states "United fans attacked riot police as they moved in to put the situation under control[4] after a portion of the United fans refused to be contained by stewards[5]." These statements are sourced information from the BBC and 24 News. Stop vandalising the article, just because you don't like the facts. You've had it explained to you above how the police retaliated against the United fans actions, how the reports state that... United fans had nothing to "retaltiate" from! The police action came afterwards. Do you not understand logic? reports?, etc. Can't you just choose another Manchester United article to ruin until another user notices you're adding NPOV and then you have another dispute? - Daddy Kindsoul 20:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe Daddy Kindsoul has no intention of allowing "both sides" of the story to be mentioned, and as such I've placed a POV check on the article. Might I suggest you ask for a comment? Darkson - BANG! 23:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:football box on UEFA Champions League 2006-07 pages

It is still too long if using Manchester United when no finalist is confirmed. Being the short form used by UEFA, why don't use it? KyleRGiggs 11:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Good question. I was confused whenever to use European flag. But since other members used European flag on UEFA Cup, an European flag should be used on every articles if the country of the team is unknown KyleRGiggs 18:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Coiling

Do you like to coil things? Such as rope.

Date formats

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I have drawn the attention of the blocking admin to your request.--Anthony.bradbury 22:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

You should now be able to edit.--Anthony.bradbury 23:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Editing

You are more than welcome. By the nature of the software within which wikipedia runs, this happens now and then. I personally have been hit by autoblocks on four separatre occasions, without having done anything at all to deserve them. So I sympathise.--Anthony.bradbury 23:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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RWC07

Nice work putting in all the referees! Some of them have articles, and did a few, want to give me a hand with the rest? Goldman07 16:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries, you have been doing great stuff lately! I have started the others, so if you want to look them over that would be great. Peace. :) Goldman07 04:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, your solution works! However, there is now a problem as all the non-RWC teams have not been updated. So what should we do? Post on Talk:2007 Rugby World Cup. Good work again, sorry about this last issue! :) Goldman07 05:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Referees

Hey,

Good work with the referees. If you and Goldman can get one to better then stub standard then you should nominate it for Did You Know. Keep up the good work. - Shudda ^talk 23:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Evolution of the Daleks/Hooverville

I have asked for group consensus on our edit conflict about Hooverville. Please see Talk:Evolution of the Daleks#Hooverville. mattbuck 11:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The Rugby Forum

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RfA closed

Hi. I closed and delisted your RfA. Better luck next time. Regards, El_C 20:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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Manchester United

I do not think Man U is offensive as the team is world wide known for that name.

Maybe you don't, but I do. Man U/ManYoo/ManUre is used by fans of other teams as a derogatory term to describe Man Utd, and if you don't understand that, then I can only assume you're not a proper United fan.
P.S. Remember to sign your posts. PeeJay 20:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Roma/United clash page

Hey, I know there's been a lot of hassle over this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_AS_Roma-Manchester_United_conflict but as an editor who seems to have a bit more experience then me, would you mind having a look at the new sources on the talk page and seeing if you can get them into the page? If you think it's more trouble then it's worth, that's fine, I'm inclined to think the same thing, but with a full set of neutral references I don't see how anyone could object, although I'm sure they'd manage somehow. Spugmeister 19:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed —— Eagle101^{Need help?} 22:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)