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Notability of Aneel Ahmad

A tag has been placed on Aneel Ahmad requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Aneel Ahmad, again

Hello,

You're clearly new to Wikipedia so I'm tying not to bite or scare you. However, with regards to Aneel Ahmad, it would benefit you and that article tremendously if you visited the following two key pages:

1. WP:BLP, our policy on articles about living people.
2. WP:COI, our policy about possible conflicts of interest.
3. WP:NOT, a page outlining what Wikipedia is and is not.

I'm worried that you may find the Ahmad article deleted or heavily trimmed down, which may frustrate you as a keen editor, but it is important that if you care about the article you take a look at the three pages above so as to not upset the Wikipedia editting community. Hope that helps and good luck, --Jza84 |  Talk  02:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Salford Lads Club

Hi, I reverted your edits to Salford lads Club because you didn't supply a reference for it - please see WP:cite. You will find that your edits are liable to be reverted if you don't add references to books or reliable websites - which doesn't include personal websites, blogs or myspace. Richerman (talk) 21:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but I have worked hard on the Salford Lads Club article to make it comply with wikipedias policies and may put it up for a WP:GA assessment, which it won't pass with unreliable referencing. If you have found a reference from a third party wwebsite that's fine, put it in, but please don't use mysspace or personal websites as a reference because they are not reliable. see WP:verifiability Richerman (talk) 23:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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Unreliable sources

Hello again,

You're doing some interesting work, but please note the pages I listed yesterday eve, i.e. WP:RS and WP:COI. Using Wikipedia to promote Aneel Ahmad is forbidden, whilst the following websites are not reliable:

• myspace
• self published webpages (for example aneelahmad.com for Aneel Ahmad)
• Internet Movie Database (or imdb.com)
• Wikipedia itself.

I can appreciate you take an interest in Mr Ahmad, but Wikipedia is not a free advertising space, nor should it be used for biased promotion. --Jza84 |  Talk  00:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I can appreciate your frustrations, as I was once a newcomer myself, but I can assure you I have no stake in Aneel Ahmad's inclusion or disclusion on Wikipedia; my concerns are purely administrative.

The Internet Movie Database and Myspace are like Wikipedia - open source projects, or websites that any user can add material to, without it going to a publisher. They have poor reputations for fact checking. As said in our content guideline, "Material challenged or likely to be challenged, and all quotations, must be attributed to a reliable, published source". Whilst simillarly, "articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy".

Yes some articles may use IMDB as a source, but that's something that will be picked up and challenged by other editors and fact-checkers, when they do a review of those articles. Do you have something from a more reliable source? Newspapers, Journals, DVDs, Books, Magazines are all likely to be suitable sources and can only serve that article better.

What I (and others) are concerned about is that you have a personal connection with this Mr Ahmad, and could be writing a hoax, or bogus article. As I'm sure you can appreciate, the editting community has to work hard to ensure that all material is attributable to a reliable, published source, so as to maintain Wikipedia's reputation as a world-class educational tool. Whilst also, biographies of living people come under much closer scruteny (as I freely admit I'm doing here in this instance), as they can include false, even libelious content (see our policy entitled Biographies of Living People). --Jza84 |  Talk  02:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I just received your note that you do not know Mr Admad, so please ignore that point. I think the rest is still very applicable here. Don't be disheartened - there's been a decision to allow you time to rectify these concerns (most of these articles are usually deleted outright within a few hours). Good luck. --Jza84 |  Talk  02:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Salford Lads Club

Wikipedia:Notability - pay particular attention to the part where it says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable." Most people would consider the references in the article to be somewhat unreliable sources.

By the way, editing your talk page to remove sections of a debate is considered to be pretty poor form on Wikipedia. It somewhat belies your argument. Parrot of Doom (talk)

You can spend as much time as you like researching whatever you wish, unfortunately if the information is not from a reliable source it will not stand. Use references from a newspaper, or other media outlet, or some academic body - using sites that are solely to market people working in television and film won't get you very far. There is nothing against newcomers here, far from it - but unless people follow the simple rules of verifiability and notability, Wikipedia will become little more than a blog. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You really should sign all your posts with ~~~~, its easy to do and allows people to read things more easily. Also, the information which you have deleted from your talk page (presumably because you don't like open debate) is visible to anyone, everywhere, for all time, in the history page - like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APaulbeatz&diff=234359103&oldid=234316489 Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

An article from the Salford Press will do fine. You don't have to have purely net-based references, books and magazines are ok so long as you include enough information in the reference so that readers of the article can verify the information for themselves. To do this, simply insert the information you want to include as a line, and then follow it immediately with one of these templates. Find a template that suits the information, so in this instance the {{cite news.... template will work fine. Copy that template into your article, and insert the relevant information on author, date, title, etc. Make sure you put <ref> </ref> tags around the template. Then, in your article, create a section called ===References=== and below that, type {{reflist}} - and if you do it correctly, a little number will appear next to the text, and in the references section in the article the relevant information will appear in small font size. Write on my talk page if you want more help. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Put whatever information in that you have - if that means only the date, page number, article author, newspaper name, publisher - that will be fine. The more the better but it needs to be enough so that anyone can find a copy of the newspaper for themselves. And please, please will you sign your posts with ~~~~. Parrot of Doom (talk) 19:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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