User talk:Paddu/Archive1

Hi Paddu... welcome to Wikipedia!

Re: Hindu mythology, I've found that a lot of the pages (many of them created by Tokerboy) include information that is drawn from various ancient texts, and so may place undue emphasis on aspects of mythological figures that are unfamiliar to modern Hindus, but that may nevertheless be perfectly valid (I haven't read all the Puranas, so I can hardly verify). I don't know how to resolve this discrepancy, but you should be aware of it. Graft

I am unable to understand what you said. 'undue emphasis' is a discrepancy from what? But I think I must mention that translating Hindu concepts into English is a bit tricky and results in sentences that don't convey to a Westerner exactly what the author had in his/her mind.

Well obviously there would be a hundred and fifty versions of each myth floating around, wouldn't there? So what has currency today might have been unknown to an earlier source. Anyway I think "translating Hindu concepts into English is a bit tricky" is nonsense. -- Arvindn

I know you would, but tricky it is for me and that's what it is for others (who talk about Hinduism) I have met according to them. Do you remember eskimos having 20 different words for snow? What's the fun in having many words that have identical meanings? They might have similar meanings but not the same. E.g. snow & ice in English both translate to pani in Tamil (I'm giving this example as Arvindn is a Tamilian, please forgive me). Pani-katti is not ice, it's ice-cube, or it could even be 'snowball'. See? This's because Englishmen are more used to snow than Tamilians, and eskimos are even more used to snow & would like to distinguish between 20 different types of snow/emotions about types of snow/etc.

Language certainly produces difficulties. But it just requires some work, that's all :) If there's no particular word that conveys the right meaning, or the word you would normally use is not appropriate, use the Hindu word or whatever (in English characters, of course, and in italics). -- Sam

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Hi, I just started WikiProject Hindu Mythology. You're welcome to contribute. -- Arvindn 08:38, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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M07:41 (cur; last) . . Paddu (Talk) (encyclopaedia -> encyclopedia)

Encyclopaedia comes from the Greek Egiklopaideia and the ae is a descendant of the Greek ai, AFAIK. Optim 05:46, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I changed it since we are supposed to be using the American spelling everywhere consistently. And this one was linked to from the main page. -- Paddu 06:14, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Encyclopædia is better. Optim 07:08, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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swatantra, nihshulk, aazaad

Hi, thanks for your comment about Hindi Wikipedia main page. u suggested swatantra which means independent.... aazaad means free I think but I'll see if I can find something at FSF. --Hemanshu 08:45, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Thanks Paddu for providing information on the account, I thought I was a registered member, but that was a long time ago, when the Wiki was still very young and just being developed. Anyhow I am glad you took the time to help me.

Good luck, and have a great day!

Joseph E. Saad (August 5th, 2004)

hi:User Talk:Spundun

Responded to your comment on my talk page on hi:, thanx. --Spundun 17:03, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Chess

On my talk page ✏ Sverdrup 14:51, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Cardiomelanosis

Cardiomelanosis is not a disease - it royally failed the Google test. JFW | T@lk 17:46, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

There was one google hit. And there's nothing to prove that website was a prank/joke/whatever. Melanosis, however passes the google test. Hence I thought it could be made a redirect to melanosis. Or else it could be buried deep. I don't bother much about it. If you want go ahead and remove the entry at WP:RA. I just wasn't sure what the policy was w.r.t. removing articles from WP:RA.

Anyways, the page's there just to note that those articles were requested, not that they would eventually be written. Hence it might make sense to mention things that we don't want to have right now (but things may change, and an article currently considered un-encyclopedic may become encyclopedic later) in WP:RA since that handles repeated requests well. When looking for a new article to create from WP:RA such things won't get created, that's all. Due to this possibility I thought it's better to leave the decision of removal of cardiomelanosis from WP:RA to someone else. -- Paddu 18:38, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Multiple Redirects

• Dear Paddu, Thank you for your answer at en: (this link will not work, maybe w:en:, then en:) and the answers to my questions at test:.
• Why "Wikipedia:Multiple Redirects"? Please see Wikipedia talk:Multiple Redirects.
• Plase take also a look at Wikipedia:Invalid article names. Thanks! [[User:Gangleri|Gangleri | T | Th]] 04:30, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)
• I tried to get more people involved. See Talk:Norse saga#Characters "Ǫ" == >& # 4 9 0 ;< and "ǫ" == >& # 4 9 1 ;<. Regards [[User:Gangleri|Gangleri | T | Th]] 21:02, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Fact of the Day

Thanks for your suggestion. You could, however, have added it yourself by going to the November archive listed on the project page and click one of the empty links. In fact, I'd really like some facts for the coming 3 days, preferably needy pages. I've added Bond for tomorrow. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|^(talk)]] 20:39, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Paddu

Marie Rowley, -2 and -2 add up to -4, but -2 times -2 is 4. -- Paddu 16:29, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC). Sorry about that I'm not the best math student in the world (LOL), thanks for correcting me though--[[User:Marie Rowley|Marie | Talk]] 03:11, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Answer to your question about Chennai

Hi Paddu, I've answered your question at Talk:Chennai. -- Sundar 10:56, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

Test

Message for you on http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page -- Tim Starling 07:44, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

India Wikipedia bulletin board

Hey Paddu, would you be interested in joining the Indian Wikipedians' notice board? Thanks! Feel free to pass the message on to anyone else you think might be interested. --Improv 17:32, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Gujarati Script

Thanks for your reply! It may be a user agent issue: indic scripts are notoriously hard to do. It seems the font I have defined for Gujarat (Chrysanti Unicode) does include the characters (I opened it in a font editor to check). I have now added the image from Gujarati language there. |Anárion|^(Pedo!) 14:01, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Chennai photos

I have added all the photos to the commons under GFDL, do with them what you will! Matthewmayer 13:05, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for creating bug entry #1199. Sorry about the late reply. Fredrik | talk 21:03, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

WP:PUI

Hi. When listing an image on Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images, please add the {{PUI}} to the image page, thanks. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 17:43, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Seeking you support

I am seeking your support and participation for starting the "Indian Collaboration of the Week". Please enlist your support on the page Wikipedia_talk:Indian_wikipedians'_notice_board if you would like to support. Thanks Arunram 09:01, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

department of fun

pertaining to your concerns listed on the discussion page: if you see something that you deem something inappropriate go ahead and fix it. if someone dissagrees then state your opinions and surely we'll come to a resolution. --Larsie 18:41, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Anthere

Ginette was a friend. Since I was not the author, I was mentionning she was. Nothing else. She offered the pictures to us.

As for the coleo images, I have no more comment than I would appreciate Quadell to restore it himself if it is not done by the moment he read his talk page, and I would appreciate he apologies to me. I think it is no longer to drop me a word than to remove a link from my user subpage.

Since this was done before we discuss it with last time deletion, I hope this will not occur any more, otherwise, I might possibly consider asking that Quadell does not delete images any more.

Thanks for telling me Paddu. Anthere

Template:Chess position

Please see my not-so-well-advertised solution at User:Arvindn/Chess. This approach can be used for non-chess games too, like Go, or whatever. -- Paddu 14:52, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Err... For some reason http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arvindn/Chess?action=edit works but User:Arvindn/Chess doesn't. :( -- Paddu 15:18, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Paddu. From skimming that page, it doesn't appear you've come to any conclusions. You didn't end up making a competing template, did you? As far as Go, see Rules of Go, which now uses {{Go board 5x5}}. I haven't made a 19 by 19 Go template yet: I'm frightened by the prospect of 361 parameters!

Hey come on, I'm not competing (as in opposing, etc.) with you. I just made a suggestion. If you like this syntax:

			{{chess board|
			|r|__n|_b|q_|_k|_b|___n|r|
			|p|__p|_p|px|_p|_x|___p|_|
			|_|___|_x|__|__|_p|_xhi|_|
			|_|___|__|__|_N|__|____|p|
			|_|___|_x|__|__|__|___x|_|
			|_|___|__|_x|__|_x|____|_|
			|P|__P|_P|_P|_P|_P|___P|P|
			|R|Nhi|_B|_Q|Kx|_B|____|R|
			}}

or some variant, go ahead and rename images appropriately and start using in chess articles. I don't want to do that myself as I haven't contributed to any chess articles and I don't want to go about messing up articles I don't have much idea about.

I'm sure the above syntax is much better than your one-line-full-of-pipes-and-chess-pieces syntax. If you feel some variant would be better I might be able to help on how that could be achieved. Note that in the above the underscores could be replaced with spaces. Also note that we would like to support squares with highlight, an X mark, etc. These are what are indicated by cells like |Nhi|, |_x|, etc. HTH.

BTW if you want a "competing" implementation, see User:Sverdrup/test4.

One problem I have with the chess board template is that it's hard to put a caption on the board. See Evergreen game for an example. To fix it will require changing Wikipedia's style sheet. Do you have any suggestions about that? dbenbenn | talk 16:02, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand. I see that in that article there is a caption for the board. What is stopping from having the code for the caption in the chess board template (or in a chess board template, having another chess board template for boards without caption, etc.) -- Paddu 06:40, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I didn't mean anything by "competing"—I just wondered if there was some other template I should use instead. Anyway, I like your suggestion for laying out the parameters; I've done it at Fork (chess). It didn't require renaming images, though. And I agree that highlighted squares of various types might eventually be useful; but you still won't need to rename the existing images. dbenbenn | talk 19:41, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

idw*

Thanks! You got them all. If I make any more templates, I'll be sure to list them. – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 15:19, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Your questions on my talk page

Hi Paddu. It seems I have a fan! I welcome your interest in my uploads.

When I uploaded Image:Khalidbinmahfouz.jpg, I do remember being asked for the source. I ignored the warning, figuring it didn't matter. So I know that by April 2004 at the latest, we were asked to give the sources for our images. This was my mistake, but later I corrected my error, tagging the image as fair use. The source is unknown, but as you probably know, it is not necessary to know the source to make a fair use claim. (Citing the source is necessary for making a fair dealing claim.)

The most important part of image tagging is knowing whether the image is usable under a free license (GFDL, PD, cc-by, etc.) or not (fairuse, permission, etc.) The rest is much less important.

Any images I uploaded that are orphans can be deleted, of course. The only reason to have an image on Wikipedia is to use it. If it's a fair-use image that's orphaned, then it must be deleted, since an image must be used for it to be a fair use. Obviously, the only images I've deleted as unverified orphans were unused.

Regarding Perl, leaving him a message at all is largely pointless. Most of the images he has uploaded are not available under a free license, and are not usable under a fair use claim. I've left numerous messages for him under both his Wikipedia accounts, and on Wikibooks. He's never responded. This may not be his fault; he has Asperger's Syndrome and doesn't see person-to-person communication the same way you or I do.

It feels like you're working at finding things to criticize me about. I'm not sure what your goal is. I welcome constructive criticism, however, and I know there are always ways I could improve.

By the way, how is Chennai? Has it mostly recovered from the tsunami yet? Also, are you Tamil? I'm living with a Tamil from Sri Lanka now. (His uncle is in the Tigers, although he's non-political personally.)

Best regards, – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 14:05, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

UOs and deletion

You should probably write to wikien-l@wikipedia.org about it. That's where I wrote about it the other week, and a similar comment from you would help drive the point home. I think there's a lot of support for keeping orphans; we should be able to avoid any trouble if we keep at it. Meanwhile, as you are not from the US or the UK, I'd be very interested to see what you think about the discussion of having an April Fool's day article on the main page. Cheers, +sj + 08:34, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I voted on this; thanks. — Xiong (talk) 14:23, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)

Xiong's move templates

I refer to the templates:

• {{User:Xiong/Template:Ctmove}} User:Xiong/Template:Ctmove
• {{User:Xiong/Template:Tctmove}} User:Xiong/Template:Tctmove

I wasted a lot of time trying to make these templates emulate tilde-action; I've simply dropped that now. So, usage is to insert the template (the whole rinky-dink name, enclosed in double braces), followed by four tildes.

I strongly encourage you to move rants on "What Is China" and, worse, metarants about why you moved rants, to the indicated destinations. I have to believe I'm not the only sane one here. — Xiong (talk) 14:23, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)

I would like to clarify to those who are looking up my user-talk to judge my behaviour that I haven't been involved in any of these `rants on "What Is China"' and just pointed out to Xiong that his templates didn't work as he expected. -- Paddu 07:36, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

They work fine now, really; you just need to add your own four-tilde sig to the end. — Xiongtalk 03:33, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)

Lizard King's images

Hi Paddu. I think it's safe to assume that Image:Newbug.jpg is Lionking's own work. I'm not sure about the other one. Cheers, Tannin 23:07, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Paddu. I'm afraid that the only expertise I have developed in regard to section editing is figuring out how to hack the MediaWiki code in such a way as to turn the damn thing off in the wikis I administer! I have never liked sections - they are really only needed for very high-traffic wikis such as this one, and they do horrible things to the visual presentation of many pages. I don't have any section editing buttons in this skin I use at Wikipedia ... er ... I think it's called 'classic' now ... but maybe that's because I altered my user prefs. But it's good to know these things in any case. You never know when a little fact in the back of your mind will come in handy! Best. Tannin

Assume good faith

Of course you are right; "assume good faith" does not mean going around deleting everything you see that does not have a license attached. But then, I'm biased. If I were the God-King, I'd claim fair use for everything-- this is a reference work, therefore we can refer to anything, and the best reference of an image is a thumbnail of the image. Fair use, blanket coverage, no exceptions, and dare the lawyers to storm the gates.

So, what do you ask of me? — Xiongtalk 03:38, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)

You specifically cited "Assume good faith in your comment on the Pump. In any case, I'm with you on this. Let me know when you have settled upon a forum in which to voice your concerns and, if appropriate, I'll contribute mine. — Xiongtalk 08:37, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)

Request to edit MediaWiki messages

Hi, I did one of them (MediaWiki talk:Missingarticle). On looking at the other one (MediaWiki talk:Dberrortext), I had a question, so have not done that one yet - you might want to check out the Talk: page and see what you think. Noel (talk) 22:31, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chennai photos under GFDL

Excellent work on getting the Central Station and Ripon Building images under GFDL! How did you locate the original location of the images? Also, the excerpt of the email you pasted says "I grant permission to whomever to use my South-India pictures under the GFDL". I would like to use his images of Kapaleeswarar Temple and San Thome Basilica too. How do I quote him allowing the GFDL? Do I link to the Central and Ripon images? -- Brhaspati\^talk/_contribs 22:33, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

images by non-Wikipedians

Paddu, Yes, images taken by non-Wikipedias which are released under the GFDL are just fine for uploading to the Commons. It's far better to put them there than here. Just make sure that you put them in categories and include source info on the image description page! Here's an example of such an image page [1]. If you have any questions, just ask me. --Zantastik 03:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: Template:Sharedip

Hi Paddu, maybe I should back away from using this so often. I was interpreting "shared" to mean that any number of users might use that same address, either because of dynamic IP allocation or because the computer is in a public space (such as a library or school). It seemed to me that if the ISP was America Online, a school, or a library then the address is probably shared (in one way or the other). I think I may have seen what you meant, I got a couple of Whois results where it gave back the specific address instead of the possible range. Mainly I was using the template to (hopefully) dissuade vandals but I guess I could just as asily paste in the lookup information. I hope I didn't cause too much confusion being over-vigilant. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:06, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mind Benders

Hello! I've noticed your past interest in Wikipedia:Mind Benders and wanted to share the following announcement with you! I've taken over the responsibilities of Mind Benders, and the page will now be regularly updated. Right now, the pre-round is open (it's more of a creative artistic competition), and round one will open soon (the questions are done, we just need to wait for the pre-round to begin/finish)! So why not check it out? I'll keep you updated! Thanks, Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 01:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to pass this news on to other Wikipedians.

Calgary disambig

I have moved the disambiguation page for Calgary to Calgary (disambiguation. This is standard protocol for cities whereby there are few other places of significance with the same name. Most people who type "Calgary" into the search pane will want Calgary, Alberta, not Calgary, Mull. By performing this action, you inadvertently caused all articles with Wikilinks to "Calgary" (rather than to "Calgary, Alberta") to link to a page that was not the intended destination. Please to not make changes on this scale without consulting others in the talk. I believe the current arrangement with a separate disambig page and a header note on the Calgary, Alberta article is a good compromise and it is consistent with other cities with similar issues (for example, see Edmonton, Alberta, Vancouver, Toronto, etc.). Thank you. --Tyson2k 8 July 2005 06:06 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi

Greetings.

I have been doing some copy-editing on the Hindu faith Ayyavazhi. The material could use some expert cleaning, someone aware of the Hindu faith. The pages are several, and the stories are many:

Steven McCrary 19:15, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Birthday

User:Jenmoa/birthday =) --User:Jenmoa 17:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

*slaps forehead* That's right! I'd forgotten. Haha, thanks for the heads up. I'd better change that template before TimeWarner sues me... --User:Jenmoa 21:33, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your birthday wishes! :) --User:Jenmoa 19:12, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

dates on six degrees

yes, it would probably be a bit better. unfortunately i'm rather busy and haven't had time to implement it.. but it'll probably appear one day. —kate

Thanks!

Thanks for reminding me to add a link to the second archive :) -Frazzydee|✍ 22:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

At-Grade Crossings

I am going to add "or Texas" to the picture. I have personally been all along the stretch of I-40 in this area and: 1. The surrounding area is Plains like in Western Texas, which west of Albuquerque is mountainous. 2. It was located on a section of I-40 where US 66 is undriveable and I remember there being these crossings on the interstate at that time. Further, I have contacted both the Texas and New Mexico Department of Transportations about the matter to get a final ruling. There are no at-grade crossings in New Mexico and there are in the Texas Panhandle. I will post both replies on the talk page for the article and the picture.Rt66lt 21:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Note: I just went back to the reference sited. There is some dissent on that page about the location of the intersection at well. Rt66lt 21:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I live in Abq, and this does not look like "west of Albuquerque" to me (though Rt66lt is incorrect about this area being "mountainous"). I've been on this stretch of I-40 several times, and I can't remember seeing any at-grade crossings like the one in the picture, so you guys are probably right about it being in Texas. Camerafiend 03:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Greetings on India’s 57th Republic Day.

Category:WikiGnome to Category:User Wikipedia/wikignomes

• Just started the process of merging the categories. Thanks for the suggestion, (and the learning experience)  ;-) If you have the time (and the knowledge) could you check to see if I did everything right to effect the merge? Thanks for your help.
  — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib) [ 22:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC) ]

New Mexico Dept of Transportation

I posted the e-mail I just got from the NMDOT. It's not theirs, they believe it is in Texas. Posted the e-mail at Talk:At-grade intersection.Rt66lt 23:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Mumbai Pune Expressway

Which one is India's first tolled road?Pizzadeliveryboy 22:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Derivative & commercial use for images

Hi, I saw that at User talk:Pizzadeliveryboy#Maps of Mumbai copyright and Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics/archive4#Template:PD-IndiaGov you have stated that for all the images uploaded into Wikipedia derived and commercial use should be allowed. As is usually the case, IANAL but AFAICT this is only true for those images for which fair use is not being claimed. Such images can also be uploaded into commons:, but for images used under fair use derived and commercial use are not allowed. It might not always be legal to include even unmodified fair-use in copies of Wikipedia content, e.g. if the copy is not in the USA and the image is such that US fair-use law allows it but the fair-use law in the country in which the copy resides doesn't. Commercial use of fair-use images is obviously prohibited. I'm skeptical about the legality of modifying fair-use images, i.e. derived use of these images (except for personal use). -- Paddu 16:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Since PDB did not have a complete understanding of copyright issues, I mentioned acceptable wiki licences in plain English. There are many free images available for the Mumbai article, so uploading fair use images are rather redundant. To upload an image under the FU clause, one must: 1. Justify its usage 2. Use it in context. 3. Not dwell on the subject of the image. Since the issue on FU is a picky issue on WP, my first goal was to prevent newbies from uploading unnecessary images to WP till they had completely grasped wikipedia rules.

I just wanted to make sure you understood the slight "exception" to your statement for "fair-use" images. I was afraid people might misunderstand you or WP:FU due to those statements.

WRT if the copy is not in the USA and the image is such that US fair-use law allows it but the fair-use law in the country in which the copy resides doesn't. I'm not conversant with international copyright laws, but since the servers are based in Florida, local laws apply. (This also applies to other transnational laws.). Images in commons: are governed by the the nationality of the uploader or the source nation of the image. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Neither am I conversant with international copyright laws (or even national copyright laws for that matter :) ). I was just saying derived use of a Wikipedia image outside of the US might not be allowed if the derived image is outside of the US. -- Paddu 17:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)