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Little dreamers australia

G'day,

Articles on Wikipedia when created are case sensitive. Do you want your article Little dreamers australia renamed to Little Dreamers Australia? — IVORK _Discuss 05:01, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Little Dreamers Australia / Peak body

Hi Opwal,

1. Would you please review Wikipedia's guideline on conflicts of interest, as it looks like you might be associated with LDA, and if so you should (and possibly must) disclose this.
2. It's very questionable whether LDA currently passes the notability bar for NGOs or other guidelines for organisations. Nor does it appear that CEO Buchner currently meets the various notability bars for individuals, which might have provided a way around things. I'll put a proposed deletion on, which'll give you up to a week to review things and decide if notability can be established using reliable secondary sources. Note that if you do agree that it doesn't yet meet notability requirements but you want to work on it in the longer term, you can request the article be moved to your userspace or draftspace. If so, please consider having your article reviewed rather than moving it directly back, particularly if you have a COI.
3. You've described LDA as a peak body, and that would definitely require reliable sources to substantiate. A peak body is primarily a standards/lobbying organisation, while LDA appears to primarily be a fundraising/service-delivery organisation; all indications are that it is an NPO/charity (including its partnerships with state peak body Carers Victoria). I'll cut this.
4. There's also a few minor issues with neutrality, weight, etc. I'll trim things a little.

(BTW, there are a few ways to respond directly on your page, but one way is to use "{{ping|Hydronium Hydroxide}}" and sign using "~~~~". You indent your paragraphs by prefixing paragraphs with ":")

^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 09:48, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

If I respond here does this work? (Sorry I'm still learning all of this!)

Thank you so much for the detailed response.

As far as the COI goes, I didn't realise that would pose an issue, yes I do work for LDA, how do I go about disclosing this and to whom?

And the notability bar I thought would be met by the fact that she was given an award by Her Majesty The Queen personally, invited to dinner at Buckingham Palace and sat next to Prince Charles for her work in creating LDA, which is the only organization of its kind in the world. This instance alone received national and international attention on all the major news networks and all over mainstream radio. Additionally Ms Buchner was asked to be a keynote speaker as a representative of LDA at the International Carers Conference in Sweden. Additionally, LDA has been featured in numerous newspapers and publications, both national and local. I do agree that the term Peak Body may be disingenuous, as I did not realise a service providing institution was disqualified from the definition. However LDA is an advisor to the Parliamentary Secretary for Carers and Volunteers, and contributes enormously to the policy and advocacy surrounding Young Carers. Indeed Carers Australia would take that title however their focus is largely on adult carers rather than the young carer population. I'd also like to add that there is no other institution of this kind in Australia, and quite possibly the world.

Hi Opwal,

1. You missed using:

a. the ping "{{ping|Hydronium Hydroxide}}" (an alternative is illustrated by my use of your username, which you'll see when you edit the page)

b. the signature "~~~~"

c. the indentation ":" at the start of each line -- I've added them in.

2. For declaring a COI, see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#How_to_disclose_a_COI.

3. Not all your cites are correct. For instance, in "Little Dreamers began in 2002 with the idea to raise funds for Very Special Kids[1]", the reference supports VSK's existence, but not LD's link to VSK. Ditto Young Carers In Schools (see WP:CITE for more)

4. Anything sourced to LD's website is primary. Anything directly sourced to an LD-related interview or press release is also primary (but has more weight).

5. For notability to be established for LD, it needs significant independent coverage of LD and its activities in reliable sources. Its Festival for ~300 people has a little evidence of coverage before (ie: publicity triggers minor coverage) but not during or after.

6. The Queen's Young Leader Awards add weight to establishing her notability, but there's 60 of them a year in addition to a range of other royal awards and honours, and I don't believe that they could be found to be sufficient in and of themselves. (eg: see this or this)

7. Conference adds a little weight, but do you believe that all (most?) of the conference speakers meet notability requirements? (for instance note the criteria at WP:NACADEMIC...)

8. If you can't find ample quantities of independent sources calling an organisation a peak body (or equivalent), it isn't. It's not that it's disqualified for fundraising or providing services - different peak bodies are structured/funded differently, CA fundraises, various peak bodies provide various services. It's that for a peak body to be publicly recognised as a peak body there are indicators. In particular there's a marked difference between "here's an issue and here's what they say about it" vs "here's a product/fundraiser/activity/talk". Compare any of the other organisations on that page, and notice their relationship with/between government and their subsidiary organisations/members. Peak bodies generally have a seat at the table, or at least a voice in the media if they've been frozen out (CA, NFF, AMA, ACOSS etc).

^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 11:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)