Nemeton1

The Sattriya page is not for promoting dancers. Kindly respect the purpose of wikipedia and do not turn this page into an advertisement board. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sattriyacritic assam (talk • contribs) 19:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted your recent edits on Sattriya. Please make changes that improves the quality of the page. This page is not for promoting dancers. Chaipau (talk) 18:25, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

This is not to promote individual dancers but to add more contents on sattriya dance which is too less in comparison to other classical dances Nemeton1 (talk) 19:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Please look at Bharatanatyam. The only name of the dancer there is of Arundale, who recreated the dance. All other images are used todemonstrate an aspect of the dance and none of them name the dancer. What is this stance? Which hasta is this? Where are these details in the text/images? If you know what they are, or can refer to a book to find out, that would be helpful. Chaipau (talk) 22:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I have added all the necessary details required for each photo that i have uploaded. I kindly request you not to change or edit anything now on this page. All details mentioned are true to my knowledge. Nemeton1 (talk) 03:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Please do not use right justification. Look at MOS:IMAGELOCATION. Chaipau (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

November 2022

Hi Nemeton1! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of an article several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 08:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Nemeton1 (talk) 09:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Sattriya. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Much like the other user in the dispute about the article's images, you seem to have some sort of conflict of interest here. Please read WP:COI and discuss any issues with the article on its talk page instead of directly editing it. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Sattriya, you may be blocked from editing. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

I suggest do not interfere in this page. Wikipedia is for everyone to add relevant details to which I am doing. You do not have any rights to revert my edits which are visual representations of Sattriya dance. Do not ruin the page by deleting the images.

The images to be used are in dispute, and no images should be displayed until there is a consensus as to what images should be displayed. You also seem to have a conflict of interest. There is the additional issue of the license for the images, you claim them as your own personal work, but they appear to be professionally taken. Please clarify. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

December 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Do not add any images without a consensus, and not before the licensing issues are addressed. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Are you a Sattriya practitioner? If not stop interfering in this page!!! All pictures I upload are licensed to me. Copyrights of the content is with me. It’s not an improper thing as you mentioned in your last edit. You may be blocked for deleting relevant photos from Wikipedia. Nemeton1 (talk) 17:05, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

One does not need to participate in or be knowedgeable of a subject in order to edit about it, because Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say. As I've said, I take no position on the merits of adding images to the article, but you must get a consensus for doing so- and you must clarify the copyright status of your own images, which you claim as your own work. 331dot (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Now please let me know how do I clarify the copyright status? What are the steps required for owning copyright status? Thank you. Nemeton1 (talk) 17:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

You claim the images as your own work. This means that you, the person I am communicating with, took them with your own camera. The images appear very professionally done and planned out. Are you the photographer? I had this conversation with the person you are in dispute with, and they admitted that they were not the photographer but that their organization owned them. I'm wondering if that's the case here. 331dot (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

The camera person was owned by our institution. The dancers photographed are from our institution itself. The camera person had been paid for the work he has done and has no objections with it being uploaded anywhere on the internet. Nemeton1 (talk) 17:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

If you were not the photographer, you cannot claim them as your own work. It would be unusual, at least in the United States(where Wikipedia's computers are), but if your contract or employment agreement with the camera person assigned your organization the copyright, the images can be claimed as the work of the organization(this is what the other person did). The other option would be to have the photographer upload them themselves as their own work. But you cannot claim them as your personal work. 331dot (talk) 17:22, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Regarding adding images to the article, even if the copyright is straightened out, you must reach a consensus with the other person attempting to add images, as to what images to add. Please do not add any images yourself until there is agreement. 331dot (talk) 17:24, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

The photographer was directed by the institution itself on how to take the photos. The only thing he did was click the photos. Thus the images are claimed as those of the organisation. Also how would you even recognise if it is the photographer that is uploading the photo or someone else doing it in his/her name! Also as I just informed you that the organisation owns the copyrights of the images what should I do now? Nemeton1 (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Then you just need to change the copyright notice in the images on Commons to replace "own work" with the name of your organization. Quite possibly copyright works differently in India, but in the United States(again, where Wikipedia's computers are physically located) copyright belongs with the photographer of an image unless there is a contract that assigns it to someone else, or certain special cases(like images created by the US federal government).

As for how we would know, Wikipedia operates on assuming good faith and the idea that people are generally honest. You certainly could simply upload images in someone else's name, and perhaps we wouldn't know- but (hypothetically) is that how you want to operate on a website that is based in good faith? 331dot (talk) 17:37, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. I will update the information soon. Nemeton1 (talk) 14:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

You haven't changed the image licensing, and there is no consensus as to what images to display in the article. This is your final warning. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

March 2023

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Sattriya. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:24, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Given your previous disruptive editing on this article and refusal to discuss with other editors, consider this your final warning. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you promote self promotion on wikipedia? Don’t revert back to some photo that mentions the name of the person in the photo which is done for self promotion. The picture should describe the wikipedia topic. Nemeton1 (talk) 17:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Uh what? That is not even close to self-promotion. In fact, that is entirely appropriate. commons:COM:File naming specifically states "Names should be

descriptive, chosen according to what the image displays or contents portray

accurate, especially where scientific names, proper nouns, dates, etc. are used". No where does it say that the image being the name of what it describes is inappropriate. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Exactly my point. The caption used in the picture does not describe what it is about. It is displaying the name of the dancer in that photo. Last I checked that is called self promotion. Nemeton1 (talk) 17:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Stop promoting a particular dancer on this page. You do not have any rights to block me and even if you did you will have to block the other user Sattriyacritic Assam who is also reverting back my edits. Nemeton1 (talk) 17:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I have a feeling that "You do not have any rights to block me" isn't exactly helpful to your case when only the block duration is still a matter of discussion. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

It's two weeks for now. Nemeton1, you seem to be very focused on editing the article about Sattriya, to the point of asserting ownership.

Please have a look at the Task Center and the community portal for productive ideas unrelated to this topic when the block expires. It's probably best to step away from that article for a while. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  EvergreenFir (talk) 17:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely for two weeks from editing for disruptively rejecting community concerns.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hm hm. EvergreenFir, how strongly do you feel about the block duration? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Not very strongly. I did a quick review of the recent edits and they looked combative but not egregious so I went with a short block. I have no issue with a longer one. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll reduce to two weeks, primarily to reduce the amount of time that needs to be spent on answering unblock requests asking for a second chance. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

This page is not for promoting dancers and please refrain from doing so. That’s all I wanted in the first place. Refrain from using any pictures on this page. I hope this block applies to the other accounts as well who are constantly editing the page.

Thank you. Nemeton1 (talk) 17:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

"Refrain from using any pictures on this page"? Oh please have a look at WP:OWN during the two weeks. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not claiming ownership of this page. Let me be clear on that!!!!! Just stop promoting dancers here!!!! Nemeton1 (talk) 17:28, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for disruptively editing against community consensus and adding improperly licensed images.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  331dot (talk) 23:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)