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DJMAX topic

Although i agreed on the first game being renamed DJMax, i did not agree to the rest have had englsih sources that have been found, each stating it with a space in between. the official sites barely reveal anything on whethere there trully is a spacing. So please refrain from trying to change the rest of the other ones.Bread Ninja (talk) 08:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Official way of writing it is together. Which you can clearly see from developer's, Pentavision's, website [1] and from official DJMax portal [2]. (If you find them difficult to navigate then tell me. I'll take a screenshot for you.) I don't know where from the separate way of writing it came from but for sure I know that it's wrong. Google gives more results for DJMax than it gives for "DJ Max". Also almost all Korean websites write it together. I am currently working only with the main article which is about the whole series. First game in the series is called "DJMax Online" (which you can see from Pentavision's website even if you don't know any Korean language) and there's no currently article about it in Wikipedia. Please take a time to read about DJMax for example from other Wikipedia sites like Korean or Japanese version of the site if you can. Also sites like IGN spell game titles wrong on constant basis so I don't think it's a reliable source anyone should trust. Especially when official name is written together. I know of little reason why other articles shouldn't have the correct spelling. However I am not going to touch them before I get the main article into good shape. --Mikitei (talk) 09:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Official United States website for DJMax Portable 3 also writes the name together. [3] --Mikitei (talk) 09:59, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

true, officially, but it's not always about the official naming. (i wish). in wikipeida it goes by most common English name, i found a few reliable english sources such as IGN placing it as separate. i'm saying we shouldn't move them just yet until we find more english sources. the main article, yes, but the rest....not so sure.Bread Ninja (talk) 10:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I know it's about the most common English name. But there's something which is pretty problematic here. It's the fact that this is not well known game series in United States. I know only one good source for spelling DJMax with a space. And that comes from United States based developer PM Studios official "DJ Max Fever" website where both spellings are represented. I think it's just a error on their part [4]. Especially when on that same page for example ranking page for DJMax Fever (including the artwork) uses DJMax without a space in the name [5]. We players whom have been playing DJMax know all that it's written without space. I hope Wikipedia pages will not repeat the spelling error made by outside party (by this I especially mean PM Studios). --Mikitei (talk) 10:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Let me make a note that PM Studios was also responsible for the DJMax Portable 3 release in Northern America and in that release they wrote DJMax without space. --Mikitei (talk) 10:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

United states or not, you should consider all english sources. regardless, and i suspected your intentions. Please consider avoiding exceptions for the rules. It's not a spelling error if other sources uses it aswell. We can state that it's also spelled as "DJMAx etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bread Ninja (talk • contribs)

I am not sure if you understand at all. First of all I am a simple guy whom tries to see that information is correct. If you ask my honest opinion then I've to tell you that I'd rename every single DJMax related article to be DJMax without space. All except one. DJ Max Fever is written with a space. And that's nothing I can do about since it's the ultimate truth. In every single other title in the series the title is written without space in it's name. I don't understand on what basis you "suspect my intentions" since my actions are for the common goal of improving the quality of the information available. Would you stand by when you clearly see a mistake? I refer to reliable english sources, and about 50% tell it's "DJMax" and about 50% tell it's "DJ Max". Since the makers of the game call it "DJMax" it's the truth which should be offered to people whom read the article. If you have a problem with that then it's yours and not mine. I am abiding by the rules of the Wikipedia. You should read about Trademark naming conventions and general naming conventions [6] [7]. I've been writer since 2004 but I only started writing to english Wikipedia around month ago. I hope you could write better english because I am having hard time following your trail of though here. (Not that I am that much better either) Please remember sign your comments too. Thank you! --Mikitei (talk) 21:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll tell you once again, that english isn't the problem. if you just recently started english wikipedia, than i suggest you don't blame others for misunderstanding. whom is used in a more plural form. Regardless, wikipedia isn't here to tell the truth, only to show information that is verified. And usually, those who join wikipedia for a specific reason, tend to have good intentions but not exactly follow the same. The korean official sites have also spelled DJMax into DJ-Max. And not just DJ Max fever has the space, but DJ Max Portable 3. I've also seen discussions similar to this, to keep the names consistent if certain ammount of games were relased in a similar name change. in this case the space. You have to understand that although DJMax is probably the official way of spelling it korea, there maybe other ways of spelling it in other languages.Bread Ninja (talk) 07:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

First of all let me say that I don't want any problems by stating the following... And I apologize now before hand if it hurts your feelings. But since you don't write good english, I think it's a problem. I just wrote that I am not able to get what you actually want to say because you make so many mistakes in spelling. I know that I am not perfect since I am not native english speaker. But for most of the time you're not as able as I am. And that just leaves me little bit confused. And you're correct that I make mistakes too. What I am afraid is that you're not completely understanding everything what I write since your replies indicate that you lack reading and writing skills. But that's enough of that topic for now. Lets concentrate to what actually matters... "Truth" is something which is practically "verified information" here but we shouldn't blindly belive everything. You know that even good, reputable magazines like New York Times might publish rubbish information. If you want to see some other meanings be my guest but do not mix them up with the facts like you did just now. I would like to know which official sites have spelled it as "DJ-MAX" other than the very first Portable game website's title [8]. It's the only one I know and propably a syntax mistake since all the actual content on that site use "DJMAX". DJMax Portable 3 has never been refered officially with a space between "DJ" and "Max". Not even in the United States. If you have the game please take a look at the packaging. You know it's not official information if you see something like that not printed. Point of the citing is to prevent lies. I could write some philosophical stuff here but I think it doesn't interest you right now. In anyway you look at it, it is officially "DJMAX" but because of Wikipedia's rules it should be written here as "DJMax". Most of the world speak it as "djmax"... I think we need a second opinion here about this matter. I understand that there are maybe other ways to write and spell it but in this particular case the only thing I know is that some company made a mistake and aftermath of that is still in the air. My personal opinion is that we should rename all the games to have DJMax without space. All except "DJ Max Fever" which is written with a space [9]. Public opinion is important but like we both know PC is not same PC people tend to talk about. Making notice about that is as important as citating the sources from second and third parties. --Mikitei (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

You would have to verify it is a mistake instead of a rename. and the portal is where i found DJ-MAX. so why should i find another? And yes, DJ Max portable 3 has been released with a space in between in English, you can find it on amazon.com which i may say has been noted reliable for quite a while and if that isn't enough, the most reliable sources for games is IGN which a review is right here [10]. Point to citation isn't to prevent lies. it's to prevent rumors or information that can't be backed up to enter in wikipedia.philosophical stuff doesn't interest me, only the rules to wikipedia and what can be applied. I really don't mind the main page, or other DJ Max articles to have without the space, but specifically the DJ Max portable games is where i believe shouldn't be renamed yet, as they have games that have released in English, and has sources that have the name. There is also a range of consistency that needs to be done too. and did you even use a new york timez as a ref?Bread Ninja (talk) 20:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Please look at WP:VERIFY to show you what wikipedia is about. first sentence says it all.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I sent Michael Yum (head of the PM Studios) an email and asked about it. DJMax Portable 3 is not released in Northern America with a space in between the name. You can clearly see this when you look at the package and read the manual. Or read the pressinfo. Amazon is not creditable source in this case since they can decide what ever they want to be the name of the product they sell. They have listed at least hundreds of products with a completely wrong title or with a title which is not exact, in the past. I remember ordering "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" from them once and they delivered entirely wrong set of books. Special shops like the Bemanistyle.com which are specialized into this sort of games are the ones you need to look for. They had the exclusivity to sell this game in Northern America. Something Amazon didn't have despite it's size. [11] [12] or how about the PM Studios twitter feed? [13] what about the official US ranking site? [14] or blogs at all about all DJMax games... [15] Facebook... [16] [17] [18] or some other website [19]... or the wiki made by the actual hobbyists of the game [20]... By the way, IGN also uses both namings [21]. It's a pressinfo directly from PM Studios probably. Officially in United States the game is DJMax Portiable 3. No matter how do you look at it. Google also gives 4 910 000 hits for "DJMax" [22]. "DJ Max" only gets 1 290 000 hits [23]. I am interested in truth, I believe already explained this to you. Not the "truth" you think. Then there's also the "truth" which the WP:VERIFY talks about which you have no idea at all. You need to read from Wikipedia rules these parts... WP:PRECISION MOS:TM You're not following the spirit of the rules here at all, Miss Bread Ninja. WP:PGE And you're mostly not assuming good faith WP:AGF when you remove my edits and do all sorts of harm. If you want to do it alone be my guest. I'd be more exact with my reply but most of your comment is just gibberish. --Mikitei (talk) 21:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

assuming god faith, is meaning you assume had good intentions, that's all. blogs aren't considered reliable, and we usually go by third-party sources. Dj max portable 3 did release in North america, look at the article and you'll see. and i'm trying to say is, i'm only looking truth within sources, not truth witihn common sense of the reader. and trust me, lets nto say we aren't following the spirit of the rules.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

You're just trolling me. I am not going to waste my time to you any more after this. First of all I know that DJMax Portable 3 was released in Northern America. Just what kind of person you are when you forget something I wrote to you like few hours ago and then write something completely opposite back to me? And secondly... your english is quite bad again. I guess you're tired of writing or something like that... Go to sleep... That's what I am going to do now too since it's almost midnight here. Good night! :) --Mikitei (talk) 21:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

If it's midnight then it's most likely stress taking over, again, it's not english, that's the problem. it's called a type. and if you have a problem, please address to a certain sentence you didn't quite understand. you also need to work on your grammar, yet i understand what you were trying to say. and please look up the word "troll" in internet terms. it has to be intentional in order for one to troll. and I'm doing this for the sake of wiki, not for the sake of bullying a contributor. Also organizing pages are good, but a break is always allowed somewhere in between in case the comments get too far to the right. Bread Ninja (talk) 23:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Also i would like to tell you that it's a lil hard to find a source calling "DJMax". DJMAX yes and DJ Max, but not a combination of the two. so maybe it's best to keep it as such. often certain names have a certain style, but have an alternate name. A good example is L'Arc~en~Ciel. use the tilde's for style, but it's actually spelled L'Arc-en-Ciel. I think this applies in a similarly wayBread Ninja (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I got email reply from Mr. Yum. I asked "Was the fact that DJMax Fever was named "DJ Max Fever" a mistake? I think so because all the other DJMax games are written without space between "DJ" and "Max". This is for the Wikipedia. Thanks." and he replied with:

It was actually not a mistake. We wanted to separate the words for the US release but realized it cause too much confusion so we changed it back after Fever.

— Michael Yum

This pretty much means that every DJMax game should be without a space in the title except for DJ Max Fever where the space in between the "DJ" and "Max" is intentional. You're trolling, whenever it's intentional or not. You haven't been hanging online enough, if you don't know what I mean with that. Besides you give me the very image that you don't even know what a troll is. Come on! (sigh) I'll move on to another topic. I am following general style suggestions here. After 10 indents I'll outdent the text. You should know about that too. DJMAX is the actual spelling. No matter what language since it's the original form. DJMAX should be written as DJMax, just like the W.A.S.P. is just W.a.s.p. I've showed to you that there are more sources for DJMax. Finding sources for that particular form is not difficult. And since it is more common and more official way of writing it we should use it. Of course there could be a note saying that "also known as" line somewhere in the beginning. I don't think it is alternative way of writing it. Besides I think that DJ Max Fever is Exception that proves the rule.
I have to thank you for this permission to make few points about your previous comment.

• What do you mean with "type"? I know what actual word type means but you obviously intended to use some other word. Like "style" for example. In my honest opinion this is your worst problem which hinders readability of your intended message. It drives me nuts when I have to think what you actually wanted to write. Some are just plain misuse of words like when you wrote "songtrack". You obviously tried to write much more common word "soundtrack". Do you know the difference between the two? Please try to do something about this.
• Lots of small things like...

• "lil" -> "little"; But I think you meant "bit".
• "tilde's" -> "tildes"

• Please read about how symbol "comma" is used in english language - English Comma Usage. The way you use comma is little bit like comma rules in finnish language where before conjunctions like "ja", "sekä", "että", "joko", "tai", "vai", "eli", "mutta", "vaan" there's usually a comma representing small pause for the reader.
• When you're addressing yourself, please use capital letter I. Me, Myself and I
• You're not completely understanding what I write. Even if you claim to understand everything. That was already proven when we started to write comments to Talk: Music of DJ Max.
• Mixing of articles like you're just randomly guessing them. Please read about a/an and the.
• Constructing good sentences is problematic for you...

• Many of your sentences are quite long and are unnecessarily complex. Some are quite short and have only one or two words.
• "Also organizing pages are good" wrong verb and form. Should be something like "Organising the talk page is a good thing in itself".
• "it's not english, that's the problem" - If it isn't "english" then what it is? Why that is a problem? And for whom?
• What do you want to express with this sentence: "Also i would like to tell you that it's a lil hard to find a source calling "DJMax"."

• "Also i would like to tell you that" -> "I would also like to tell you that"... However I am pretty sure that you wanted to write "I have to tell you that".
• "it's a lil hard to" -> "I think it's a bit hard to" or "I find it a bit hard"
• "a source calling DJMax" is probably something like "sources which use the form DJMax".

Actual sentence would then be "I have to tell you that I find it a bit too hard to search for sources which use the form DJMax".

Hopefully I managed to list most of the things I find troubling. Keep in mind that it's possible that I might have made mistakes too when I wrote this message about your single comment. I hope that this gives you at least some kind of image of the problems I am encountering when I try to read your comments. So far you're the only person I've had problems like this. It makes this great educational experience for both of us. I think it's interesting to see the outcome of this. --Mikitei (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually some of these problems aren't really grammar problems or english itself. if you had problems with understanding thats one thing, but it looks like you understand pretty clear just have a problem with how i say things. for lil i meant little. it's quite obvious, and i didn't mean "bit". your problems are rather ridiculous....Also look up the definition of trolls.People tend to use it all the time when they're not getting they're way in a discussion. look at Troll (internet). Also the argument of whether some name is official isn't really relevant.

the most common way is you indent over 5, then you allow to start the cycle over. But i think it's done. Well, i give up, if you feel need to be switch then i give up. but please stop getting angry, stop calling people troll, and if you have a problem with sentence structure, let me remind you it's just you who has a problem. i'm not here to give you the best sentences. again some of these problems are called "typos"Bread Ninja (talk) 00:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

You're not familiar with trolling. It usually is intentional but sometimes some people do it without actual intent to troll people over something. We both know that Wikipedia is not the ultimate encyclopedia since common people like you and I are editing it. I suggest that you google about "unintentional trolling" or "accidental trolling". I merely used that as way to describe your way of writing since it offers so much freedom to interpret the actual content of the message. I think you should at least read about this girl who uses nick Boxxy. I apologize to you since you felt it was some how offensive remark. I am not sure where have you gotten the impression that I am angry over this. I know that I am frustrated and tired but I don't consider myself angry... Why should I explain to you why it's important to write good sentences and at least try to aim towards grammatically correct language? Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Grammar WP:1A Rules of good writing

I see that there's enough sources for writing DJMax without a space in between. There are also many good reasons for it. Of course since we now know that space in Fever is intentional it should be left like it is. So you're fine if I rename them? --Mikitei (talk) 14:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

it's always intentional, that's what defines a troll. some may believe it's not but that's just people trying to redefine it in a way that they can accuse people more easily and please don't call me a troll, there is nothing about this that's about me trolling. you're frustrated, you call me a troll, that's all it is. i have my points, you have yours, we're both on subject. and if you read your comments, you would know, you hint hostility. And trust me, it's not a grammar problem, you just don't like how i write. but you do understand. so it's not like I'm asking you why you should teach me a thing or two about grammar, I'm just asking what parts were so confusing for you so i can explain better (and of course there are typos every now and then i tend to ignore yours as well). but that's not the case, you understand perfectly fine. As for DJMAX, I'm still iffy on it as we don't see it spelled as "DJMax". only two ways (and 3 if you count the portal website), DJMAX and DJ Max.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:09, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I think you aren't familiar with internet slag enough if you still don't get what I am trying to express. At least I tried to explain myself but since you don't believe me there's nothing I can do about it. I actually review my own comments twice. You should probably also review your own comments more than few times before submitting... And lets make one thing clear. You have total freedom of expression when writing. But please improve the quality at least a bit so that text is more understandable. You might be fine with me guessing what you want to express but I am not ok with that. Your latest entry was better but it still has ie. the article and the comma problems which I tried to point out earlier. Oh well, since you obviously don't like criticism then I'll move on to another subject. If you read the actual DJMP3 manual, take a look at the case or actually read the stuff from the websites and then read the wikipedia's trademark naming conventions you'd surely understand why I am pushing this forward. --Mikitei (talk) 10:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

let's not make negative assumptions here, i don't "guess" what i want to express. that line makes no sense. Sometimes the things you say are odd too but i understand enough to not even bother with it. so let's not act like this is all me. I'm just trying to stick to the main point, not point out every flaw about you have when i have the chance. the main point is to understand (which you seem to understand pretty well), and you're not here to criticize people, you shouldn't even do it in general. the naming convention has been passed for the main article and by 2 people including me (not much of a consensus). another way of finding out is using Google to see which one is most commonly known name. "DJ Max" from what i see has 57,800,000. "DJMax" has 824,000. and just to be safe i included "DJMax games"/"DJ Max Games" and "DJMax Emotional sense"/DJMax Emotional sense" to search. "DJ Max" always beats "DJMax" by several 100,000. I also included searches with all caps to be even safer and it seems it makes no difference in the search as it gives me the same number of results with "DJMax". As you can see the most commonly known is DJ Max. And i do agree the name should stick with the main article and some video games, but i'm still skeptical on the Portable series as two games released, and although one of them isn't officially released as DJ Max, it's also most commonly known as with a space in between through results. Please refrain from doing edits without the consensus of others. just because we moved the main article does not mean you can move all of them. But I want to talk about another thing. the difference between an audio CD and a songlist of the games. the songlists in the article are there to compliment the games. The songlists have all the songs of the games. Now listen carefully, because I'll be trying to say this as clear as i can. the track listing under the soundtrack is meant for the soundtrack (media). it's to give more information of the soundtracks as a game, but as another piece of media. The problem here is you see songlist and Audio CD as the same thing. You have to understand that it's not. We can't consider songlists as media. it's just a songlist for the game which in fact is media. Do you see what media is now? if you want to consider the songlist as media, than we'll have to merge all the songlist to it's respected game, because thats what real media is. And merely listing the soundtracks isn't considered music unless you gave a certain amount of reception on it. You have also suggested to move the article to "List of Songs in DJ Max"too, so i reverted the merge so we can discuss on it. Please remember the Bold edit-revert-discuss rule. Once someone reverts a bold edit, you have to discuss it until agreement is reached.Bread Ninja (talk) 10:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

You're killing me. First read my comment properly again. You obviously didn't understand at all what I wrote... Here's something for you. "DJMax" scores more results than "DJ Max" because DJMax is written together. See this picture for confirmation. DJMax beats DJ Max by several million results. I already explained this days ago. Why I have to explain it again? It must be because you don't seem to know how to use Google. If you write "DJ" and "Max" to Google it gives you combined input of both words. Thus your search is invalid since it will include everything related to DJs and Maxs. You have to insert quotation marks for exact search. Understand? Good. Having stub article about other than game related media is not good idea. It will be removed. It's better to have them all under same article. Which you still obviously don't understand since you're still trying to tell me that I don't know the difference between the two. Even if that's never been a problem here. And you did exactly what? You're just disturbing the development of the article. --Mikitei (talk) 10:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Did you stop reading midway? i added many more into my search just to be safe. In fact i did the same search up, the same way you said you did (added quotations) and got completely different results with "DJ Max" still being the most results. Remember, we use the most common name, not the official one, but the official name can always be entered in the opening sentence of the article. Having stub articles in general isn't a good, but that doesn't mean we have to merge all of them in the same one. since those were soundtracks for DJMP2, it would've been better to merge it in that article. Your reasoning it far too simple for you to keep arguing like this. i know it has to be merged, but not to that article, as it mainly focus on songlists. it would be much simpler to add it in it's respected game ESPECIALLY since you said they were only released in special editions of the game. It would have to belong in the game's article more. merely listing them on to the music article doesn't seem to help the article at all. And i reverted the merge, because there is still a discussion about it and you mentioned the article be moved to "List of DJ Max songs". we can talk it over here, or we can talk it over in the article. it's your call, but you have to discuss it. Do not ignore it and think we can discuss it through our edit summaries. that's what edit warring is and we could get banned for it.Bread Ninja (talk) 11:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Why are you lying to yourself and to me? You're way too much personally sticked to this thing. We can concretically see that the "djmax" is most common way to write it (according to Google) and you still claim otherwise. It's five million plus something against less than two million results... Vocal Paradigm and others where not released together or even the same time with the games. They do not belong to DJMP2 article. They are part of a digital collection and they have to be together. To me you're the one waging "edit war" with me. I'll state it again to you, we need more outside input. --Mikitei (talk) 11:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

What is there to lie about? just saying i'm lying isn't going to help you. but if you insist. i'll give you exact numbers. And let's not be a hypocrite here.....your the one more attached to it than i am. Or must i point out the reason why you joined the english wikipedia was for the sake of DJ Max? To me, i just want to see a consistent article.

• "DJMax" = About 824,000 results (0.16 seconds)
• "DJ Max" = About 1,070,000 results (0.09 seconds)
• "DJMax game" = About 6,960 results (0.17 seconds)
• "DJ Max game" = About 42,400 results (0.36 seconds)

Of course in korea or japan it might be most well known as DJMAX.and since the game isn't that popular in the west, fans are more inclined to type it in the original way. merging soundtracks doesn't even have to be released exactly the same time as the game in order to be merged and it doesn't even have to be released together. you should know that. a good example is Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, .hack//G.U. and Ghost in the Shell (film). And edit warring takes two people, but if one doesn't follow the rules, then it's that person's fault. the rule is Bold edit-revert-discuss. it is not Bold edit-revert-revert again etc. Once i revert a bold edit, it has to be discussed before being changing it back. Because some of these soundtracks are included with special editions of the games, it would be nearly impossible to get reliable sources without talking about the special editions. But like you previously said, we could move the article into "List of DJMax songs". You did mention it, i don't know why you're avoiding it.Bread Ninja (talk) 12:29, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I get completely different results from Google. I even provided you with a picture. What you're inputting here is obviously a contradiction of verified information. I've tried various alternatives and results are like this...

• "DJMax" = About 5,140,000 results (0.33 seconds)
• "DJ Max" = About 1,970,000 results (0.15 seconds)

I created account as a part of the plan for learning better english by helping with various topics I am knowledgeable. Topics such as computers, operating systems, computer software, computer games, art, music and engineering. I can assure you that I am not here only for the sake of DJMax... You know perfectly as well as I do that BRD requires more than two people. And can you point out exactly what sentence it was where I wrote about the move operation? I need to read it so I can get better idea what you've misinterpreted since you tend to do that a lot. I remember only agreeing to following: If contents of the physical OSTs which came with the collector's edition packages are to be listed those lists should go to the corresponding game articles. But none of them where never even listed on "media of djmax" or in "music of djmax". Besides they mostly already are in the actual articles. --Mikitei 13:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

"Then I will start vote to rename this article into something like List of songs in DJMax games. If merge fails then I will initiate vote to delete List of DJ Max media."

^^this is what you said before. you can find this easily in the Music of DJ Max talk page. Bold-edit revert-discuss rule can take up to two people only at times. but even if it takes more than one person to discuss, it only needs one person to revert. And right now those pieces of media are listed in the list of DJ Max media. Albums can be merged onto the respected video game articles quite easily as i said before. they do not need to be released with the game or the same time as the game (even though some of them have). it's an easy fix. so what do you say? As for the naming, i honestly don't know what to say. i think it depends on where you're from and google gives different results depending on your default language of your server. but i'm not an expert. i'm too tired to fight over the name. you can keep it as is for now, but the games are also known as DJ Max in english. what i think is important is clearing up the focus of the music of DJ Max article.Bread Ninja 13:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't you have the wrong idea here? Let me correct your misunderstanding.

If you want it not to be merged then please start working with it by improving it instead of debating with me. If it's in good enough shape that it can stand alone then we call it a day. Then I will start vote to rename this article into something like List of songs in DJMax games. If merge fails then I will initiate vote to delete List of DJ Max media.

— Mikitei (talk) 21:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I wrote that if you want to keep the "list of djmax media" article around then you should improve it so that it can stand on it's own. And if the merge would have not taken place because you improved it so much that it would have maybe had power to stand on its own. Then I would have agreed on having two articles with the other having scope for only game soundtracks and the other for all the other music albums. But since you didn't do anything. You didn't improve it when I suggested you to do it. You also didn't write anything. You didn't do a thing except copy-pasted game songs to that article and then called it a day. If the merge would have failed and you had not done anything to djmax media by that time. Then I would have initiated delete process because we don't need short stubs like that around. Not all of the albums are not tied to those games. I told you that before. In english title is written without space in between. There's also chance that some web pages outside Wikipedia have taken title with a space directly from Wikipedia and are using it right now. Using that information from those pages to reinforce the "dj max" is wrong. --Mikitei (talk) 14:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

DJMAX topic: Second part

The name change wasn't that long ago to actually affect so many other websites. But anyways....who says i haven't done anything? been looking up information on playasia.com to see if i can find albums, but they're only find information on special editions. And have been looking for more information on amazon, but that's pretty hard since i can't find a Korean amazon. i can only find a Japanese one. You got to give it time. I was also looking a bit on cdjapan.com; I moved quite a bit information because it was part of the media. Plus don't you think it seems like we should be working together for that? i also agree it needs to be merged (to it's respected game articles). I really don't know where to look up the online albums in reliable sources. I haven't fixed the article much. but that doesn't mean i haven't tried anything. If you know where to find the online albums, then i'll leave that to you to look for while i go try to find retail albums. ok?Bread Ninja (talk) 15:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I did find a technika audio CD though. but i'm also looking for track listing to fill in more information.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll skip your first sentence. That kind of reply makes no sense at all... Playasia.com is not the kind of website you should be looking information from. But they are good e-shop though. You will not find information about the albums because playasia.com doesn't sell them. They don't have the legal right to do so. Again, I'll state this to you. All the music albums outside the games which are related to the music from these games are in digital format and sold only in korean digital music services. So all reliable www sources are in korean language. Only the collector's packages come with the physical copies of the game soundtracks. The only physical retail album I know which relates to djmax is Clazziquai's Metrotronics. It can be found in 5 minutes not matter where you search it from... I know that some soundtracks where printed more than what was needed for those special packages. It has happened twice and by accident. For example Bemanistyle.com still sells the soundtracks which they were unable to use with the DJMP3's collector's edition. Officially soundtracks outside the collector's editions are not supposed to be available. Oh and while I still remember to write it... You cannot find Amazon korea because Amazon doesn't have web site for Korea. So you will never find it since it doesn't exist. And even if it did would exist it would be listed here among the other international amazon sites and affiliates. And I'll repeat myself. Don't use Amazon to search information about DJMax. They are not reliable source for searching that kind of information. (I totally think that korean eBay is more reliable for that kind of search.) You should make research from korean websites. Or english sites which actually sell korean stuff like yesasia.com. Googling for "korea music shop" is not that hard thing to do since Google is not so called "natual language search engine"... Use Google Translate to pick up any meaningful small pieces of information and process them right. I am going to go through korean wikipedia sites about djmax that way in future. CDJapan practically only sells japanese stuff. You won't find anything from there about korean product. I cautiously agree with you that we should work together on DJMax articles. I think you should start looking information from korean websites. For example Neowiz has their own music service at www.bugs.co.kr. It's open for foreigners too but you need to know little bit of korean to use it. I should curse this OSX since it's 64-bit version crashed and took first draft of this same message away. I just wrote it without making any checks so if there's anything stupid I'll held right to change my opinion about those parts of this message later on. ;)

I read your message and I am not totally sure if you really understood what I wrote. So far I haven't yet agreed to anything. And I seriously think that we should have a meeting at irc or some other network and discuss about things. Let's also just continue like this since it's much nicer this way. --Mikitei (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Here are some korean game shops: [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], more can be found from using for example Google, or visiting DJMAX portal selecting a game and then visiting page about shops which sell the game. --Mikitei (talk) 19:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

i'm not looking for places that sell them, i'm looking for third-party sites that i know i can use in order to cite them. you provided alot of 1st-party. ebay is definitely unreliable. I will look at some of them, such as yesasia. BUt you could help too...Whatever source you find, posted it in the discussion page of the article. i'll be doing the same, and later cite it all.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

You know, I just helped you. And I've done just in two weeks more than what you have done in six months. And I wonder if you really know what's the meaning behind first, second and third party sources. I posted online shops similar to those you're using right now to search information. Why to use online shops at all? We both know they are not 100% reliable sources... :P --Mikitei (talk) 20:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

You mentioned benamistyle. and i did not say all of them were 1st party. i know what it means. 100% reliable or not, sometimes we need to look for some. and playasia is where i can verify special edition packaging with the soundtrack. i cannot post the soundtrack separately if it hasn't been released separately. and ebay isn't good. it's not like amazon where a company is selling it through amazon or another site is selling. they are more of an auctioning and such. theres no way to verify what they say is true.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Either you're not listening what I say or not understanding what I say. And did you know that even you can sell your own stuff through Amazon?[30] It makes Amazon no better than Ebay if we follow your logic here. And you're not making sense again with this "i cannot post the soundtrack separately if it hasn't been released separately."... Working with you is going to be hard if you post ideas like that which misses the point entirely. And if you cannot. I can and I will. Please, have some common sense. --Mikitei (talk) 11:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Common sense? let's not use that because it's highly suggestive and has no real ground. If soundtracks were released with the special editions only, then it's part of that media. if a soundtrack was released only with the special edition of the game, then there's probably no information of the soundtrack unless it's with the special edition game. Another example, (again) is DJMPBS which in that article included the exclusive soundtrack along side the special packaging, so it's perfectly acceptable to include soundtrack with the special edition. If we were doing "A list of soundtrack" article, then yes i would probably look for a way to separate it (as in find information on the soundtrack without the information of the special edition if any). But this article allows for all media, not just soundtracks. There are still some artbooks out there that could be added and other information. but i dont know how big the range of media DJ Max goes other than soundtracks and artbooks.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me? Please try to explain what you are trying to do. Because I for sure don't follow anymore. Make a bulleted list if possible. Then I make comments and generally agree/disagree. Then I'll add my own list which you can comment and agree/disagree. And Common sense is something everybody has. Wikipedia even acknowledges it in it's rules. It exists and has real grounds. If you want to start debate about philosophy, please don't. We will be stuck forever here. Article is about music of DJMax in general inc. it's soundtracks from all sorts of releases. Please don't try to build separate article page about same topic. Please read: WP:CWW. Thanks! --Mikitei (talk) 09:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

As for Amazon, you can check who the seller is, and they don't sell individual items, they sell stock. it's not like ebay where you can find the same thing over again and the user puts in the information. For example Namco and Bandai sell their games on there. If you were to find a company to actually sell on ebay, than i suppose it could be added. But amazon seems to sell in stocks and no auctions and companies sell through there too. Amazon is used more like a middle man to sell your product, not to sell whatever you own that you want to get rid of for cash. and with that someone can't sell a product that they don't own or have the rights to. So i can't be selling DJ Max portable games or any DJMax media if i don't own the rights to them to call it my product.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't know where you picked that up but you can sell individual items such as a one used book at Amazon and of course anonymously. Why do I have to explain this obvious thing to you which you should read from Amazon's webpage? [31] --Mikitei (talk) 09:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

It's there, you can sell, but it wont be your product. but at the same time, not many people sell like that on amazon. for example,looked for an item that is sold by someone that isn't the seller, but didn't. all of the items found are sold by legit comapnies. Now! the only way yo buy the oens from individual sellers, if you buyed "used". regardless, the pages have good information. But it's not like amazon can be the only bit of information. At the moment i'm really stuck trying to get certain articles upto featured. So i haven't had much time lately. I think i added significant information at the moment. and will be trying to add more. Remember it's a list of DJMax media,not soundtracks. feel free to add alot more.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah, whatever... Since you cannot understand that perspective about it there's nothing I can do for you. But just remember that Amazon isn't trust worthy source. Don't use it. And what do I have to do to in order to make you realize that it's a list of music released around DJMax? You're still not understanding the point here. And why on earth are you competing against me with an article which is a duplicate of Music of DJMax? I just noticed it and I am not happy about it at all. Why do you copy-paste content I contribute to Music of DJMax? Please stop it. You should contribute to Music of DJMax. --Mikitei (talk) 14:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

It's not a duplicate and we both know that. I "moved" the information there because it relates to media more, but you didn't notice, or choose not to face that. Regardless, the two were obviously intended differently. I also added more information on certain albums. You have to understand that soundtracks and song-list are different, soundtrack compliments the media, songlist compliments the video games. that's all it is. As for amazon, you have yet to prove anything against it other than the fact that people can provide used items for less, but other than that the new items are there and provided by legitimate companies. Regardless, it is nothing like Ebay. Where it's all based on users. not companies. Unless we site the used section, then it wouldn't be reliable, regardless it is. I assure you. Many feature and good articles use it and no one has argued about it's reliability since. the problem is, you want things your way and you don't know how to find another way. it's either your way or no way. And you act like you want to collaborate (like when you proposed changing the article name to suit only songlist of DJMax, but you suddenly forgot about it for some reason and refuse to bring it up again) but then you don't want to bring it up.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

It's duplicate since you just copy the information. You didn't perform proper move since you didn't follow the move guide. You worked against the Wikipedia's license agreement. You are working behind my back by not telling things like that, I don't like it at all. I already talked about one final solution with the wikipedia-help irc users about what to do and we came up with a plan which probably is going to satisfy your needs too. It's obvious that you don't understand that these are same songs, same makers, same producers, same artists, same everything and even the same company behind them and their format is almost the same too. You're having problems with basics. Amazon is not a proper trustworthy source. Wikipedia-help IRC channel users also agreed that it's a bad source and should be avoided. I already talked with you why it's a bad source and shouldn't be used. Again you fail to understand it. We both know that it's not used in any good articles just on as is basis when citing something. Amazon and eBay are both similar bad sources. Even in eBay you can sell stuff as a company. Just like you can sell stuff in Amazon as a individual private. The problem is that you don't understand basics of article development. You also don't understand politics around this and you're not able to reach consensus by arguing with me about this. You're exactly what you wrote. Somebody who imitates good collaborating contributor but who at the same time isn't what he/she claims to be. There's no real practical difference between those articles and you know it. And I already made two more specific clarifications to you about this last issue. Because you cannot read simple good english you cannot understand what I wrote. Why do I have to repeat myself even more? I'll do it one more time just because I really do try to collaborate with you even thought it is really hard. First of all I told you then that I will make this simple set of actions depending on situation. You didn't fill anything I asked you to do. You didn't improve that article with your own research, you didn't write anything new or generally improved it. You didn't help with anything. All you did was some disruptive editing I could give you a warning about. But since I assume good faith I didn't do it. Then you started copying content which was old and just false information at that point or not up to date. You didn't give credits to right people when you moved that content. Again I could give you warning about it but I didn't do it for the same reason I previously mentioned. Unlike what you claim, I didn't 'forget' about it. You're just false accusing me of something I didn't do. Can you please start actually reading this? I am going to make a compromise here with or without you so I suggest that you read very carefully. Like I already mentioned. We at wikipedia-help IRC channel came up with this compromise. I will split the music of djmax into two parts. The other which holds the track listings and the other which holds those soundtrack albums. That other one will be new pure article. Then you will stop editing that old media article which is just rubbish anyway since it doesn't contain any original work anymore after you messed up with it. Are you going to be fine with this? If you're not then this situation will continue where nobody gives in. --Mikitei (talk) 14:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

not really, i didn't copy-move. i literally "moved" it whether you think i didn't or not. And can you provide links too? simlpy stating it isn't enough. basic development in articles? it's more to it than that. you also have to realize there's a wiki-project I'm in that is asking a lot more. Such as turning stub articles into start. So it's not like I'm completely dedicated to it. But the problem is you want me to prove it to you, even though you have enough information to sustain notability (but you just wanted to merge it). And you made it clear. you proposed the title change, and it happened. In the end you got what you wanted, initially. It really doesn't matter. the information you had placed was mainly more media, and therefore i moved the information there. that doesn't mean i wasn't looking for information.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You didn't tag the move at all. You didn't let the people follow back the trails which is something Wikipedia license doesn't allow. You just stole text from others. I don't know about you but I've been Wikipedia editor since 2004. You didn't follow the proper procedures at all. And please now let me take your contributions out of the way and add what is applicable if anything to the actual article. And after this please don't do disruptive editing anymore. That article was a short stub under deletion danger. What I did was a salvation for it. As the saying goes: "When you cannot heal it, ease it's pain". The information is just simple audio tracks from the game. There is no notable difference between. I made the proper move with properly tagging it and changes to it few minutes ago. Please agree to at least this compromise. Next topic I am probably going to take part is cleaning the Neon Genesis Evangelion article since it's my favorite animation... or maybe not. There are more important things to work on with. :) --Mikitei (talk) 16:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

there's no such thing as "stealing" in wikipedia.... i merely moved the information to it's most suitable article, i wasn't trying to make it as a valid contribution of my own. I'm still looking information. There is definitely significant difference as i stated over and over but you refuse to accept it. Disruptive? it goes both ways. I originally wanted to take things slow, but you were just more aggressive. So i had no choice. And you don't assume good faith (initially) at all, which is the most important rule. I would say the most part it's disruptive towards you only just as your edits could easily be disruptive to mine. basically it's subjective and should provide more reasoning than "disruptive". plus my edits were more like "cut-paste" not "copy-paste". other than that, there's no such thing as "messin up". you wanted to see what can be done to salvage that article and i moved information that you provided. And lets be clear, it was done in favor of the move of the name. As for NGE, that article is incredibly bad as it holds a lot of in-universe information. I've been removing unverifiable information, and also been wanting to redirect information more related to it's respected article. So i hope you're more neutral about it. moving the list of DJMax soundtrack albums seems unnecessary and your reasoning doesn't seem very strongs. It seems a lil long and removing soundtrack album will mess with the article.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You just don't seem to understand the concept of giving credits to corresponding contributors. I used word steal because that's what it is when you take credits for contributions other people have made. This is basics of the basics which you should know when you start writing to Wikpedia. Read about these from here: WP:CWW & WP:SPLIT. I find it insignificant unless there's actually enough actual information for it. I already stated somewhere to you that when there's enough information I or somebody other can do the split if it is justified. This merely passes them mark. So far your contributions have caused small chaos. I am going to discuss about this on Wikipedia IRC channel. I think you should come there too. Like right now: [32]. What you did with your improper cut n' paste was violation of Wikipedia's license agreement. That was highly aggressive move and is total opposite of what you wrote in your last message. You're disrupting my work of actually improving the article to the point where it could have been taken to separate one. I wrote every single thing there stood in media article and you took credits from me out of that. And like I wrote weeks ago. Abandoned bad stubs are not salvageable. They should be either deleted or merged. Most people agreed to merge. Except for you that is. :) --Mikitei (talk) 16:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh and let me add that we probably should start name talk on conversation page about the name if you feel it is important thing to discuss about. --Mikitei (talk) 16:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You don't like mixing in two different releases, but are perfectly fine with mixing in media and songlists together? You realize the level of inconsistency there is in your reasoning?Bread Ninja (talk) 05:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

DJMAX topic: Third part

Oh is that all you wanted, credit? i thought that was implied...oh well...and that isn't a basic, more like a concept. and some of that information isn't provided in the welcome. i really didn't think about credit or anything, I'm not the type of person to care....but if those do, then I'll just say so. Abandoned stubs doesn't mean it's not salvageable, that is a little shallow. Most people agreed to merge which was....about one IP who i really don't count and one editor, but still shared the same stated mind. Regardless, credit to editing seems really odd...i think you're taking it too seriously. anyways, for such a low important article, you don't really have to worry about credit. If i ever happen to get a barnstar for it, I'll remove it and say you deserve it. but other than that i really don't care about credit. if you did the same (and i agreed to the edit) without giving me credit, i wouldn't mind.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Make no mistake. What I wanted was that you follow the Wikipedia guidelines... Only way to build the abandoned stub is to rebuild it from the ground to top. Which means that it should be started from empty table... And if I ever would steal work from the community, I would be so much ashamed myself that I would probably admit it the next day, apologize and then leave forever. And it's not just about me. What about the other people whom contributed to the article? I don't want credits from the works of others but at the same time I am keeping care that people won't take credits from my work. Giving credits is really important. It is as or more important as citing good sources. Please keep that in mind when you next time move content. :) --Mikitei (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

it has happened more than enough. in fact some people just place refs on the talk page and ppl put them in the article without credit. and they dont say anything....to me i just care about fixing the articles. it's important to you, not to some i know. So my environment is very different. And stub-articles are the basic form, it doesn't mean fixing the article from the bottom up because we have a starting point. But i've seen stub articles raise up to start before....so i think you just gave up on it too fast.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

It is something which gets you a ban from finnish and swedish Wikipedia if you don't take care of credits when making operations like that. Not of course immediately. If I still remember correctly, you had to do it three of five times in a row and get a warnings from all of these bad edits. I don't actually know yet how it works in english wikipedia. But I guess (based on your comment) that it's not that well enforced as it is in small foreign language Wikipedias. I think that's a sad thing... When I see a stub which is just a definition of the topic I totally probably try to get it merged/deleted. If it is a stub which has ::::::little bit more related actual good content and good structure I probably try to improve it so that it's not a stub anymore. I guess it shows in my actions that I've spent more time working in a smaller Wikipedia... ;) Please come to wikipedia-help IRC channel [33]. We can talk faster that way. --Mikitei (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll join later...i'm working right now on other stuff.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

If you tell me where you live, I'd know your local time. Then we could probably plan a meeting time on that channel (or some other channel if you want). To be honest I am quite tired today and I wasn't planning on editing Wiki at all today. And while I can talk about various things with you today (and actually love to do so) I'd prefer tomorrow. It's pretty late here. :) --Mikitei (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

US mountain time.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

It's GTM -7 hours? And that would mean that clock is there about 11:47 now. I live in GTM +2 hours location so clock is about 20:47. I am using 24 hour display. I am probably waking tomorrow around 10 o' clock which is one of my personal rules for myself. :) --Mikitei (talk) 18:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Well i'm on most of the time, so you don't have to worry about reaching me at bad time or at all.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok. But let's try to be on a IRC channel at some point of time. We have few things we should probably talk in real time instead of using this newsgroup stylish list. --Mikitei (talk) 19:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)--Mikitei (talk) 19:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Never liked the IRC because i can never use it, it's nothing like wikipedia's format. Regardless, i plan on merging albums that weren't sold separately from the limited edition versions of the games and only keep the ones that are. As for "track listings" I'm still against visualizers. true, they have unique on each track but it's more a question of whether it's significant enough to add them in. DJMax is a music game, therefore the music is the most significant part of the game. I think adding visualizers and BPM is intricate detail that we should avoid. But like i said, if you proved that they are through reliable sources and reception. than we probably could. I've been looking and haven't found anything reliable or concrete enough to add in. But like i said before, adding contributing artists and those who contributed to visualizers could be added in development section in the respected games. I could barely find any info of the songlist in general. Overall, some thing in the articles should be fixed too, such as not listing aspects and just give brief summaries.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Using irc is easier that using wiki... you just click one link and it takes you to where you should be. Unless you want of course use some dedicated application for that like Mirc but you don't have to install one. It's just enough that you have working Java in your computers to use irc trough www browser.... do not merge albums that where sold separately. Please don't do anything. I will revert all those changes. You don't understand the concept of writing things like they are. I find them as significant as the composers since they are pieces of art. If you've ever watched MTV you know that every time they play a song they usually also write the music video director there in that small infobox. The way I find it important is a bit like that except that I see it as a complete piece of art. I don't really understand how you cannot see the connection between the song and visualisers. Is it ok if separate list is made out of just for them? I don't think that's a smart thing to do. We have to keep in mind that foremost DJMax is multimedia entertainment product which contains interaction, music, pictures and video... Apparently you still haven't understood that it was talk about making template for music game track listings. How come you still haven't understood that? Anyway listing bpm is probably not that important in general wikipedia article but since the information is already there it would be sad to see it discarded. It's bit trivial information but information about the songs still. You haven't found anything because you don't know where to look and what to look. I am pretty sure of that after hearing that you don't know how to use Google, IRC, and your computing skills are low level. And that's pretty sad since you have shut a whole world outside your house. First of all there isn't enough information to form these "Development" sections. Just drop that thing, please. Besides it makes much more sense to have them in a list where everything else is listed. It's not too big table if you're worried about that. And as for the template it would be must to have a column for them. If you want to work with articles do so but don't start inputting too much information for lists. Lists are made to take additional repetitive information out from actual articles to make them more readable. It's probably better if we don't commit changes to those articles for a few weeks. Mobile article is progressing fine. I probably should publish it after small tweaks. But I have to note that I probably don't have time to make those as fast as I thought. University lectures takes my time. --Mikitei (talk) 18:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I went to the link, don't know how to use it. To me, it's either it's significant in the game enough to be noted, or it's not and we should remove it. And if i had said that i would merge albums that were sold separately, than it must have been a mistake. I said i would only merge albums that were only released with special editions of the game only. Bread Ninja (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

That link takes you to a www java irc client, you type in your nick name, captcha, and click ok, it then redirects you automatically on right channel and it pretty much works same as every other instant messaging application. It's more simple than doing a single line edit in Wikipedia. And please do not merge albums what were only released with special editions of these games. --Mikitei (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Just because you see it as a piece of art, doesn't mean it's significant enough for the visualizers to be kept. I could see it as such too and it still wouldn't matter. Alot of albums don't list any music videos or who created it, they only say they have a music video and a DVD has been released. You know this isn't MTV, this is Wikipedia, so the comparison has to be within Wikipedia. What other connection is needed? just because a background video was made for the song? Don't put your personal opinion onto why they are important, think of it logically, how significant are they? the most significance we will get is the artist.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Just because you think it's a simple entertainment doesn't mean that visualizers are insignificant. Think why are we keeping lists at all? <irony>Just because you cannot accept my view we should drop composer, singer, genre, ... let's just drop everything. Also the song name. Actually let's just start vote about deleting the whole list. There's no point keeping obviously important information there just because you don't see it's value since you know like god what's valuable and what isn't.</irony> Please, don't be silly. You're not accepting the fact that wikipedia is a encyclopedia the foremost. It should be neutrally reporting what the thing is. Not prevent access to information which you don't find important. I am probably not alone and you're probably not alone with your opinion. Please understand that these are video games, these aren't static music albums. These games have lots of makers and primary format is interactive music video. I am on behalf of listing things per song what are told to players by the song info screens which is pretty much same as game loading screen. You cannot make comparisons to static music albums or static plan songs. Yes, it was probably wrong from me to make a comparison to static music videos but I did it because you don't seem to understand the significance of what you can see and only value things you hear. I think reading is more important than audio in games. Which is probably the reason I value old school western (european) role playing games and interactive books such as japanese visual novels so much... artists are also those who make those background animations and draw and design the flow and give songs the visual appearance. Do you think you would have started to like the game if the background during the song would have been just black plain background? Would you have not loved morning person song without that cute catgirl? What about the succubus and the vampire of the Hamsin? In that song where there's no singer visual background is important when giving a feeling on about what's the song is about. It also adds a story to it and increases it's overall value. What about rabbits in Ask the Wind? Musical artis is primary name in there but I already wrote you that second most important name is the visualiser there. They worked on these songs as a duo and made it something insanely great. It's the magic behind DJMax. What about you? Aren't you bringing your personal opinion into this matter by saying they aren't worth it? Besides like I already told it was for the template discussion, so that possibility for that would exists there if template users would like to have a things like that listed there. --Mikitei (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't be a hypocrite. that's all original research. you're not even trying to put the standards of Wikipedia. the same could be said about the Dance Dance revolution games or the guitar hero and rockband games with the stages. Can you listen to yourself for one minute and see how incredibly bias you are in this situation? My personal opinion is solely based on the standards of wikipedia and add in only whats truly relevant. The visualizers were made for the songs, but that doesn't mean the visualizers made the songs. Stop thinking about personal preferences, and start thinking neutrally. the music and vocals is what makes the song, not the visuals, and we both know that. If anyone is bringing personal opinion, it is you.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't be like that. It's not original research, nothing ever is since you always learn things from somewhere else. Be it a person or animal or something you notice, etc. What you do is write how you see it and then reference things to back it up. If you want to do philosophical talk then start another thread. You don't seem to understand how it's negotiable thing per case. You still don't understand what's the difference between specifically per song made MV and generic 3D generated backgrounds. Guitar Hero doesn't have unique MVs on a background. I don't know about Dance Dance Revolution if they have 5-6 generic backgrounds or each song have specifically made MVs. You don't appreciate art or do honor to Wikipedias guidelines. How about you listen yourself? You're biased yourself and you support censorship. There are guidelines for things like these but apparently you don't know what they say. Besides you've read me wrong for the tenth time today. You're still thinking this way too limited range. This is a computer game. This is not a audio album. Keep that in mind please. Music and vocals are what make a song but in a multimedia product like this visual art is important part of the world too. You're just ignoring that for your own favor. It's your own opinion that they don't belong there. And it's yours alone. There aren't wikipedia guideline which says that you're right. But there aren't wikipedia guideline which says I am right either. Why are you arguing about this? --Mikitei (talk) 09:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

And my computer tech is moderate at least. Who said i shut the world? Don't start being uncivil and assuming things you don't know. I've definitively looked hard for visualizer information and how significant it is. I checked the reliable sources list in WP:VG. i never used IRC and theres nothing to type in, or where to type. You know i know how to use google, you just assumed i didn't because i got different results. You're in germany, i'm in the states, we both will get different results. that doesn't mean i don't know how to use it. Bread Ninja (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I am not talking about your hardware. I talk about your skills. If you cannot do as easy thing as to connect into irc network you shouldn't be here at all. I just cannot comprehend how that is possible. And you've got my home country wrong. I am not from Germany. Why did you thought so? I am from Finland, like I've already said to you. And I made my deduction about your search skills is based on how you use Google. Everybody knows how to make a Google search. It's just that you're not familiar with logic of seeking specific things out of Google since you don't understand how it works. Which I've deducted from the fact that I had to explain it to you few times so that you could understand it. And that means that you don't know how to use it effectively. And let's stop this part of the thread here since I've already made my point though. --Mikitei (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about hardware either, I'm saying your deduction is bias and flawed. On here, i can click edit and type. on there, i can't type anywhere. But recently i fixed the problem as my previous PC couldn't type in for some odd reason. as for the google incident, that was a misunderstanding on your part. i just forgot to add quotations, that's it. which still didn't prove much difference to my search. Stop exaggerate the situation. You never had to explain it a few times whether you did or not. Your deduction is very bias. you're point is horrible and offensive. if you want to help, then go ahead and help. if you want to just put people down, then i will do whatever it takes to get these articles to at least C-class even if they go against your edits. At this point you're not trying to help. Overall, the IRC isn't even good for situations when there's a dispute at hand.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

You cannot listen and understand properly? Why are you making excuses for not knowing something? Please things like that are really bad. You really should come to IRC for a real time chat if you want to solve this. You're offensive against me and my changes which are perfectly aligned with Wikipedia guidelines. Who was the person who didn't do things as suggested by the guidelines? It was you. I will not bother with you after these messages anymore. Since you obviously cannot listen or understand points properly. I will do what ever I have to do so that the good quality information increases in those articles. Even if I have to go against your changes. I can say that now for you since you wrote in a similar fashion. And same to you too. You're not helping at all at this point. You're just arguing after arguing and wasting our time. IRC is especially good since we can resolve things in real time. You obviously haven't understood that it would be good to get this faster resolved instead of this messaging system which is not suitable for this kind of long talk. --Mikitei (talk) 09:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not worried about it getting too big, I'm worried about it having too much insignificant information. I don't think visualizers are important as they are just background videos, and it doesn't help that each song has their own. Something like this would be more of wikia's level, but not Wikipedia (unless you can verify how relevant they are). Like i said, try to verify how relevant they are, than we can keep them. But merely having them just because you 'think' they are relevant isn't enough. Bread Ninja (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Why do you think such a obviously important information is insignificant? It isn't since this is about a game and computer games are their own world. And just listen to yourself: "Like i said, try to verify how relevant they are, than we can keep them." What do you expect me to do? I should remove all the composers on that list and say that there isn't enough verifiable sources on their significance. Then you should be pretty much ok about that since you don't understand the value of the visual side, why would you understand the audio side? Based on your logic they aren't significant thus we don't need them. Please understand this. And can provide you something if you say what you need in order to be convinced about adding just a names of the visualizers there. --Mikitei (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Obvious? why is it so obvious? Let's make it clear, I don't care if DJMax has it's own world (so you say), i Still plan on putting it up to the standards of Wikipedia. DJMax isn't so special to give it any exception whatsoever. What value would be lost if we didn't add visualizers in the article? what misunderstanding will happen? they're just video smacked onto the stage. the Writer (composer) is the one who wrote and made the song. I think those can be verified. i just don't think visualizers are relevant enough. The entire article has no refs. i expect you to prove they are relevant by putting reception, i think that's pretty clear. If I'm asking you to prove yourself, I'm not going to edit things that will get in your way of doing that. That's a big difference as you wanted me to prove that list of DJMax media exist, and didn't gave me a chance and you even had significant information to put it in that article. If we keep visualizers, the article would look more like a list of stages.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Because it's the big part of the whole. It's not about just what you can hear. It's also about what you can see. Nobody is demanding special exceptions for anything. Instead why are you trying to limit important information? Why do you think you're special? You're not putting up with Wikipedia standards at least for now. Value lost will be similar to that if you remove the composer/artist from the list. I already explained this to you. Don't you value artists? Apparently not. Besides you accuse me of doing my mind but you're not better than me. Please be rational... Visualizers are relevant enough that Pentavision choose to write their names into loading screens, mv edition info boxes and everywhere inside these games. Article is not a list of stages. Why are you still not getting this. I am pretty sure that you don't understand me or you're talking about completely wrong topic. Anyway I am not going to bother talking with you anymore after this. I am just going to make changes and improve the article. It's more useful and more proper that way. --Mikitei (talk) 09:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

As for DJMax mobile, don't worry about it too much. I'm patient.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I am actually in a pretty much shaming myself that I cannot deliver it on time. I totally suck. But I have to set my university studies first before doing anything on behalf of Wikipedia. I also reserve right to any changes in all the comments I just added. I am extremely tired after coding half thousand lines of c++ code and reading awfully lot of technical documentation. I intended to play DJMax Clazziquai Edition this remaining time but for god knows why spent it writing these stupid replies on this simple matter which shouldn't be even the problem in the first place... Actually it probably is much better if I just start my own fan pages about DJMax... Anyway I'll probably jump to improving articles about soviet computers next. They are so awesome machines... But since clock is god knows what I'll go to sleep... --Mikitei (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I really don't care about your personal taste, opinions, or preferences on these subjects. I just want to get the articles to be improved, by following Wikipedia's standards. If you want to make a fan page, don't bother telling me anything unless you plan on changing something in the articles in Wikipedia. Unlike you, I'm not a follower and if i have high personal preferences over one article, i will not let that affect me as an editor.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I am just trying to be friendly here which you apparently find annoying for some weird reason. I am doing improvements and following the guidelines of Wikipedia. If that's not enough for you then you've lost the meaning of having all these guidelines. You tell you're not doing this because of personal reasons but you still haven't contributed any major improvements over to articles while opposing practically all the changes which I've done inorder to improve the quality of the article. You talk big but deliver less. Why can't you just work with me on this topic? --Mikitei (talk) 09:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

You know at this point, do what you want with visualizers, I'm giving up on that specific article....but that doesn't mean I'm giving up on the other articles. and don't assume I'm dedicated to DJMax. Don't half-quote. that's a dumb thing to do. read my comments thoroughly and quote it completely. And another thing. If we get in another argument. don't be uncivil and continue to have. And also don't say you're acting friendly. You want to be friendly? than be friendly. I'm tired of your personal attacks, your bias reasoning and overall rudeness. you also tend to exaggerate things and ask pointless questions that only are used to attack me. SO if you have anything left to say, i hope it's something NOT related to me. if you do, then I'll report you. and you ask yourself why i find it annoying... go read everything you've said up to this point. See if there isn't one personal attack.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

DJMAX topic: Fourth part

not every image is needed. the packaging of DJmax quattra is not as useful as you think. i'm inclined to believe you're bias because it's DJmax, but i'll give yout he benefit of the doubt, and tell me a few reasons why this image of the box is important.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

You probably will disagree with everything I'll come up with... So this probably starts yet another arguing which won't end in a while so please be prepared for it. And because of that I probably should state that this is my final reply unless I really have something to add... So I'll try to prevent the situation even rising up... Well, whatever... :)

• Single picture tells more than thousand words.
• We don't have any other pictures in Wikipedia which show what kind of scale, design and general size, look and feel these very unique DJMax special edition game boxes present. There are several in the DJMax series. This is just one. And just one is good enough to show and give the general idea about them from the text. This is not a just a some cheap box you throw away after you took the item from it.
• It describes what kind of Black Square special edition box is. Not everybody has seen or does get the idea about them. If we have a picture about design chair or cheap chair you probably want to remove either but both are needed in their own ways for a article about chairs to show the diversity and design.
• You probably won't get the idea but "black square" roughly means "black box" and package is high quality black box and has a nice texture to it. It's beautiful in it's own way. Not to mention the final touch of having that nice red (rubber) band around it.
• It's in an article and in a section about that box and it's content. I find it important that this picture is here. The one who originally inserted it there thought so too. Don't you find it interesting in its own way?
• It could be used elsewhere for example in the main article about the franchise in a similar fashion. I actually wouldn't mind if you move the picture out from Black Square and add it to the main article (DJMax) and write little bit about the special editions of the game and how they are rare and expensive collector's items these days. Send a message if you agree to this proposition. :)
• These are things you should realize yourself too. Ask yourself why Wikipedia often states that articles should have pictures? If you only see just a black box then you probably shouldn't touch that picture. Besides you remove information with a value (no matter how low or high) and don't add anything as valuable or more valuable to replace it. Often this is because you don't understand the value of the said information. Some things I do understand but there's a clear line which shouldn't be crossed.
• Koreans are happy having that same picture on their wiki page about Black Square.

And this is roughly what I think about the subject. This was written in a hurry so it's probably not consistent. I could come up with something better later but remember that there's a definite reason for that picture to exist. Of course there's no urgent or absolute need for a picture like there are for some kind of news pictures. But a simple reason exists for it's existence. And that simple reason is enough. But now I really need to continue writing my white paper about mobile user interfaces. This was supposed to be just a brief visit to look quickly information about ISO standards for searching correct ISO documentation. Good night! :) --Mikitei (talk) 19:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

^^are you even trying?Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

• ^^that really doesn't matter, you're not helping onto why it's necessary. you're getting bias again. you can't see this as a normal article, it always has to be in someway "special". why can't you ever just see things more neutrally? we don't even need to describe how it's packaged. and it's completely trivial to show an aimge of the box, let alone explain what it looks like.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

^^no it doesn't. not even in the slightest. And seeing one doesn't matter. And if there was an article about a chair, an image of the chair would be needed to fully describe the main topic. the limited edition isn't the main topic of the article, nor is it the most significant section in the article. don't make such poor examples.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

• ^^this is what one would call being bias. not only that but original research too. packaging high quality? how is that significant?Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
• ^^ it's just the section. And it doesn't matter who originally thought so. should we keep every edit everyone has done just because we're being considerate of that person's reason? this image provides nothing significant. and from the actual image itself, you can't truly identify it as a DJM BS Quattr4 box.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
• No....i dont agree to any of this...because you're not even bringing up verifiable evidence to why this is important.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
• ^^let's not put this on me. i know why Wikipedia allows images, and i have yet to remove images that pass the non-free content criteria. and it doesn't matter what i add, as long as i remove the poison, someone else can add the remedy. removing original research is what i do. i dont have to add more information. that's not the point. please read my page. i have my reasosn for removing content, and it is often justified.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
• you're not even trying at this point. you're using WP:OTHERCRAP. trying to keep something not because it's useful but because another language of wikipeida uses. whichi might add most of their articles are not notable to be kept.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

please come up with something better, because this is the worst reasoning i have yet to see in Wikipedia. you just admitted there is no urgent or absolute reason to keep this. So until you come with a really good reason. then we can keep this image. other than that. this image has no significant purpose. it's either fully necessary or not at all.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, learn to write. Your answers are just opinions and they aren't based on anything concrete. And also you're not understanding the point as I suspected. Well let's see where this goes. I'd rather like to have outsider to tell opinion again. And please don't twist my words. I wrote that there's a reason for the image. --Mikitei (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

don't be the hypocrit here. only state what doesn't apply to you. i don't twist your words. if you think i'm twisting them, then say where it is specifically.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

For example you just wrote "you just admitted there is no urgent or absolute reason to keep this." it isn't true. You didn't read my stuff properly. And you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Where's the rationale in there? I'd say you're more like cleaner kind of person. That's ok, Wikipedia needs them. But just removing stuff which is actually important isn't ok. --Mikitei (talk) 20:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

i'm not twisting your words. they're there plain as day. just bolded it for you. Arguing for the sake of arguing? i bring it up because you're in the way. no rationale, because you bring nothing. i if call you bias, it's for a reason. i'm waiting for you to at least take it into consideration. and no, important is only information that is verified. and just saying important, doesn't mean it's important. i trim things down to the basic information that i know can be verified.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

here's your third-party.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

can you stop whining to jinnai about everything that pops in your head? he's only here to help us for one reason, he isn't going to help us forever. and i reverted it, merely to tell you not to edit my comments. seriously, if you keep harassing him about all your thoughts about me, then he wont help us at all. he's just going to ignore it.Bread Ninja (talk) 23:33, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Section naming is done in a more general form. you have to choose names that are more general (subsections may be moe specific and individual due to them complimenting the main section). there shouldn't be a section solely dedicated to special edition but to all releases, even if it just the normal and special edition. Jinnai has said a number of times why the case isn't really useful and how you'll need to add even more information on as he continuously said and where both of us haven't found. The information you brought is just general information.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Read the Black Square talk page. Remember that adding information is also your responsibility. Lets wait for Jinnai's yes or no reply about the image. I just woke up and I need to go now to attend university lectures. See you around... --Mikitei (talk) 05:59, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

why not ask your proffesor or teacher on the subject at hand and what i mean when i tell you you are commercial bias. i'm dead serious when i call you that. ANd it affects every reason and every edit you do.Bread Ninja (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

don't bother doing anything "for" me. if i do it, then i do it. I blanked it because it was trivial. differences from DJMax portable 2 seemed highly irrelevant. If you're going to do it for me, then you don't really care if it's done or not, more if i do it myself.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:33, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Considering the list of in-game soundtrack isn't notable. Why not agree to merge it with their respected articles?Bread Ninja (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I am planning to merge (hot tunes track list) it into the track list article but I didn't have time today for it. I'll do it later (with proper move procedure and everything) you can count on that... --Mikitei (talk) 18:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

There really is no reason to have a list of track-listings since at the moment isn't notable (which i predicted). Not only that, but the very article itself is pretty redundant. It's a list of track listing which I'm sure you understand where I'm going from here. List of DJMax track listings should be merged to it's respected articles. Such as track listing for DJMax Portable be in DJMax Portable, DJMax Portable Black Square be merged and so on. It would improve the other articles that are currently stub (though i can't guarantee it will automatically go up to start). Not only that but if one were to want to look up a song list of a specific game, common sense would dictate that it would be listed in that article, not in a separate list.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I strongly disagree about cutting "Track lists" article into small shards of information. "Track lists" article has its meaning and purpose. Besides all those lists are not needed in actual articles especially because they are mostly just supporting information. Just like the other lists in Wikipedia. All the other music games have a list article like this and I think that's enough of precedent to keep them together. Filling articles with long lists doesn't make them less stub than they are. It's also common sense that all the track lists are in one article. And it is for the good manners to follow principles of the Internet by linking things in to a one page which tells information once and accurately rather than having 15 different copies of the same content. Besides moving the information wouldn't make them (DJMAX articles) less stub. It would be just a lie if that kind of move of information happens. What would make DJMAX articles less stub is that you, I and other editors write more actual content into those articles. And this is the end of discussion about that. About the "Track lists" article... I had this thought about making a list which has all the songs from all the games in a single unified list. But it is just a idea and nothing more. But I lift it up here because it's the kind of improvisation editors could plan and work on within the "Track lists" article in order to improve it. --Mikitei (talk) 11:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

1)Just because things have a purpose and meaning in wikipedia, does not mean they are notable to be kept nor independent enough to have its separate list. A lot of articles in wikipedia had a purpose and meaning that were still merged or even deleted because there wasn't enough supporting material. 2) What you just said is an oxymoron. Articles are made up of supporting material. These type of things are usually into a separate list article because both the list and the main article. And it is most definitly not commons sense to compile all tranck listings into one. And if its just an idea, than put it in special page. But if this is the end of the discussion. you've forced my hand.Bread Ninja (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Neon Genesis Evangelion topic

I totally agree that it is a total mess. But I don't agree with all your actions when cleaning it. --Mikitei (talk) 16:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Removing unverifiable claims. thats all i'm doing. and ithink we should remove quotes and copyedit the information the quotes have.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Most of your edits are good ones. But I'd still keep few specific things about it. I think we can talk about it later if I start working with it. I usually mostly concentrate on one topic and then move to another when I've done my best shot with it. Besides there are better articles to work with which offer more freedom and aren't something I've used to call "fandom land mines" in past. I think you can guess why. :D --Mikitei (talk) 18:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

yeah there are some that really forced my hand on. i can definitely agree with what you said above, well theres only one active member you might have to worry every now and then. but overall you should be able to breeze through. it's just the main articles of the series such as anime and franchise.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Y. H. Malegam‎

Good luck with that. I was going to have a go after lunch, he does seem to be notable and if you like I'll have a snoop when you're done Worm^TT 12:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I am not going to write whole thing... I am building it just a bit for the sake of fun I get from helping others. :) --Mikitei (talk) 12:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, that warm fuzzy feeling... like you swallowed a kitten ;) Worm^TT 12:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it's your turn now. I am having hard time finding basic information about the guy. And I am not really sure if my style of writing suits it. But I hope that my small improvements help you. --Mikitei (talk) 13:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't really add much more! I've fiddled with a bit, and added a little bit, but I try and read anything re: accounting or corporate governance and my brain switches off. I think it's a reasonable start to an article though. Worm^TT 14:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand. And yeah, I also think it's good start now for somebody who knows more about this man than what we do. :) --Mikitei (talk) 14:39, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

how naming conventions work

How we name articles isn't based on if there are any multiple media that uses the same term. Though soundtrack is more accurate and not against the reasons of it not being clear is invalid. The only way it would be valid is if there was another article that was related to some form of albums but since there isn't, its not a major issue.Lucia Black (talk) 05:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Woodroar (talk) 19:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Minor Edit Reminder

Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Video game journalism, as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". — Strongjam (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

For my defence, I'm already aware of those rules. And that I personally honestly felt that it fell under the minor edit rules when I e.g. corrected "conflict if interest" to "conflict of interest" and changed the wording to be more neutral. I was very sure that it would not be disputed. Please note that I personally consider that it's NG to use e.g. Kotaku as a source when they're active side in the debate. Kotaku is not a neutral source. But I didn't e.g. remove the source links because I felt I was doing a minor edit. Well, I guess I should stay out of this while it's on-going. I just hope people would stay neutral. --Mikitei (talk) 23:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Just a friendly reminder. No worries. — Strongjam (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Just noticed the "conflict if interest" typo was still there. I went ahead and fixed that. — Strongjam (talk) 02:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, No problem. And thanks. --Mikitei (talk) 03:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:DJMax Portable Black Square Limited Edition Package contents.JPG

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I made a reply regarding this issue to the discussion about the photograph. If you need my help or opinion send me a message, please. I wish the image would stay like it is in the articles that use it. Thanks! --Mikitei (talk) 10:01, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

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