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Re: Frippertronics

Hi. You're editing this at the same time I'm looking at it, so I'm dropping you a note to explain why I'm going to revert some of your edits. 1) The laundry list of Fripp albums is unnecessary and kills article readability. 2) The bit about Frippertronics' invention was added without a reference. Looking back at the existing reference, it doesn't specify who invented it, and that's off-topic anyway. Frippertronics has its own article where that can be specified, but who invented it has nothing to do with its impact on progressive rock in general. In fact, it's very doubtful that either Fripp or Eno was the first to come across that technique. I'm therefore going to reword that to a neutral phrasing, because the section is intended to mention Frippertronics' use in progressive rock, not to give details that belong in the Frippertronics article. 3)The Pink Floyd bit shouldn't have been added without a reference. We all hear and read things that stick in our heads, but they may not have been true in the first place, so if you want to add something, make the effort to find a reliable reference that supports it. That's the only way to make this a better article. I've seen the Floyd bit elsewhere and I'll keep it, but now I have to hunt down a source for it. Dementia13 (talk) 22:36, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Follow-up: I'm looking for a place to fit the Pink Floyd information. Strictly speaking, this has nothing to do with electronic effects, so it doesn't belong in that section. It would fit better in traditional instruments, but there's no place for it there unless there are enough other such experiments to make a separate paragraph. Also, it's misleading to claim that this project was an early version of Wish You Were Here: They abandoned this project before they started work on that album, and the two are not connected. In the end, this is a lot of talk about an album that never even got completed, much less released, so it's just not relevant enough to go in the article except in support of some point that may or may not ever exist in the future. Dementia13 (talk) 23:04, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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Invasion U.S.A. is a fine example of a sub-genre of science fiction called "future wars" or invasion literature, one dating at least as far back as The Battle of Dorking; I've restored it to the list. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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Response to email

Please review WP:V and WP:RS - there is no requirement that a source be available online (indeed, there are plenty of citations to books, for instance)...I'm not sure what led you to believe sources must be available online.

If you believe your edit is substantiated by (sourced) information elsewhere within the article, you're welcome to re-add it, with an appropriate citation, but you'll have to forgive me if, given the tone you chose to adopt in your email, I am unwilling to undo your edit and consequently assume responsibility for the information myself (as per WP:BURDEN).

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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Terry Gilliam, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. This is especially problematic as the article is a WP:BLP, and also because you're adding WP:DAB links in the course of your edits. DonIago (talk) 17:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Neal Adams

Please do not blank content or add information to Wikipedia articles based on your personal knowledge, as you did with your edits to Neal Adams. I know you don't edit here that often, but since you've accumulated over 1,300 edits here since 2008, you should know by now that Wikipedia requires that the material in its articles be accompanied by reliable, verifiable (usually secondary) sources explicitly cited in the article text in the form of an inline citation, which you can learn to make here. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I see that my detailed info has now been semi-reverted to the vague, erroneous, and inaccurate information that was previously present. Wikipedia cannot be the valuable resource it is or should be, without the understanding that facts do not exclusively reside on the web. Much of the problem with many Wiki's articles, is that the 'reliable, verifiable' sources pointed to in articles, is often just a shiny, stand-alone, website put up by someone without those sources, but is the only known reference on a particular set of factoids, and thus it becomes acceptable to Wiki, more than someone who actually has first-hand facts, but does not have a website to point to. We must avoid thinking that all facts and truth are on the WWW to find, that WWW is self-referential and absolute. I'd much preferred that you left my re-write up, and ask me for specific birthdates or birthyears in the meantime. If I contact any one of those Adams relatives, and they tell me those facts, according to the self-referential rules of Wiki, I still have nothing to point to. Perhaps there should be a rule that to introduce non-Web based new information, a contributor must have at least 1000 unchallenged edits AND will swear and take responsibility - on a form - to personal truthfulness for supplying previously unknown-to-the-web information. Mannylunch (talk) 16:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't notice this until now.

Inclusion of information on Wikipedia is not predicated on the notion that facts only reside on the web.

Similarly, Wikipedia's rules do not require self-referential sourcing, as the opposite is the case, as explained WP:CIRCULAR.

Inclusion of material is predicated on the requirement that information be derived from reliable, verifiable (usually secondary) sources explicitly cited in the text in the form of an inline citation, as described here.

Nowhere in those policies and guidelines is it stated that sources must exclusively be online ones, as much information on Wikipedia is sourced to print-only sources. It is merely that editors tend to use predominantly online sources because they are easier to access while editing. But if you go article surfing, you'll see plenty of non-online sources. One are where you may see this more often (though not exclusively) is in science-related articles.

Hinging material on sources is how Wikipedia is able to bypass the experts-only restriction followed by more traditional encylopedias: Readers have no way to know who a given editor is, which is why information cannot be verified if it is derived from editors' personal knowledge/experience/analysis. This is also why filling out a form on which an editor swears and takes responsibility would be impossible to police.

I'm going to guess/assume that you are either a member of or a close associate/friend of the Adams family. If this is the case --- and I'm sorry if this is frustrating to you --- thenI might suggest one of them create a page on one of their websites detailing any errors and clarifying them. If that page has its own url, then it may be possible to cite that as a source when fixing those problems in this article. Hope this helps. Nightscream (talk) 16:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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