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August 2018

Hello, I'm BilCat. I noticed that you made one or more changes to an article, Hawk MM-1, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 01:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Hawk MM-1, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 01:58, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

How is IMFDB any less valid than an unsourced page somewhere else on the internet? The MM-1 isn't used by anyone because the MM-1 does not exist. There is no evidence of the MM-1 existing outside a single example used in a few movies. No one has ever seen a MM-1 in use by any military. The listed manufacturer builds RV conversions. ModernFirearms has no supporting evidence and one picture.

There is no reason to believe the MM-1 ever entered production or was adopted by any military ever.--MandolinMagi (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Oddly enough, the IMFDB repeats the same information found in ModernFirearms, yet you discount it completely. Further, IMFDB does not state the weapon never entered production, and was only used in movies. Yet this is what you've repeatedly added to the article. Please understand that Wikipedia cannot make such claims unless they are supported by a reliable published source. It's already accepted on Wikipedia that sites like IMDB and IMFDB are not reliable sources, as they have user contributed information. Whether or not ModernFirearms has been deemed a reliable source or not is something I do not know, but there are proper ways to challenge its reliability without adding more unsourced claims to the article. - BilCat (talk) 21:53, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Because IMFDB copied Wiki which copied ModernFirearms which pulled everything from thin air. The fact remains that only one MM-1 has ever been seen and outside a poorly written unsourced blogpost there is no evidence the MM-1 was ever used by anyone.--MandolinMagi (talk) 01:12, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Yet you've cited IMFDB as a source for denouncing ModernFirearms, which IMDFB doesn't do. Again, I'm not arguing that ModernFirearms is reliable, but there is a correct way to handle that, and that is not by adding more unsourced claims. - BilCat (talk) 01:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

The line about Hawk Engineering should at least be deleted, as they make RVs and are not a weapons manufacturer. --MandolinMagi (talk) 01:15, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

So it's completely impossible that the name was used by a different company? Or that the current company once produced the MM-1? - BilCat (talk) 01:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Here's another question: Is the weapon called the Hawk MM-1 in the Terminator movie? (I own the movie, but haven't watched it in years.) If not, how do you know that's what the weapon is? Maybe it's another model, or a Hollywood prop with no name. Either way, without a reliable published source, that information shouldn't be in the article either, aside from the fact that it doesn't meet the requirements for a pop culture mention per WP:MILPOP. - BilCat (talk) 01:36, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

The only known Hawk Engineering Company is not the maker. Hawk industries, however, might be. The supposed maker, Rogark, has patents with them. Also, IMFDB has an actual movie armorer who does a lot. And given the movie MM-1 is literally the only time it has ever been seen, I'm willing to call it an MM-1. How does ModernFirearms count as reliable anyways?--MandolinMagi (talk) 14:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I've already answered you. I'm not going to repeat myself again. - BilCat (talk) 19:14, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Hawk MM-1 for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hawk MM-1 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hawk MM-1 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. - BilCat (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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