User talk:Lumos3/Archive 6

Archive of comments from March 2008 to August 2008 of Lumos3's Discussion page , placed here 14 November 2008. Lumos3 (talk) 11:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Your Opinion Please?

Hello, can you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_breese and put in your vote to keep or delete, I am rather outnumbered by some non-spiritual people, could use someone who has a co-operative energy to look into the matter on a spiritual teacher article. Also please look into another article that was deleted that has been there for years at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_metaphysical_sciences but was deleted by a user as soon as I linked to it. Thanx (SpiritBeing (talk) 09:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing)

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more problems in psychohistory

Hi Lumos,

We are having trouble again in the psychohistory page (this time with a pov pusher). I have tried to communicate to him in talk page and in his user page. Can you recommend me an admin whom I may ask assistance?

—Cesar Tort 23:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Cesar, Sorry I dont know any admins personally. I agree there is POV pushing going on . I will keep a closer watch on the article. Suggest the article goes on the Wikipedia:Requests for comment RFC page to bring in more comments. Best wishes Lumos3 (talk) 09:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The trouble here is that that article has already been in RFC just before the present crisis. I'd rather wait and see if this user finally wants to argue in talk page. Otherwise I'll ask for a WP:3O. —Cesar Tort 17:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Scott de Martinville

Hi there, Lumos3! I tried to make the thing about the new recording say 'almost three decades' in that paragraph about the Edison Co. Handel chorus recording, but someone with just a red IP reverted me. I am allergic to revert wars so I left it but put the ext link to the 1888 page into the text. As you are doing things with this page maybe you'd like to make it say 'three' decades. Possibly the person won't revert BOTH of us! Did you know this story made Charlotte Green, the BBC Radio 4 newsreader, get an attack of the giggles this morning live on air? Something to do with someone whispering it sounded like a bee in a bottle. I think it sounds fabulous, and I hope they go on and find Lincoln - and others. I think it's a big shame the Phonograph article is so Edison-centred it hasn't got room for some stuff on the Preece, Henry Edmunds and Augustus Stroh work of 1878. I guess the propaganda unit won't let this one go!!!! Best wishes.Eebahgum (talk) 00:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe most of your edit remains in place. 'almost three decades' could be seen as putting a spin on it , just say what it was ie 28 years. I have been playing the Au Clair de la Lune recording in a loop and thinks its very realistic and a bit spooky. Lumos3 (talk) 00:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

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Vitamin C

Hey there. I'm aware that you contribute to this article in a large way and your edits are appreciate your contributions. You are constantly altering the article to favour taking large doses of vitamin C. This is very dangerous and is considered fringe science and is quite frankly outdated. For instance your quote Pauling's 1986 book How to Live Longer and Feel Better was a bestseller and advocated taking more than 10,000 milligrams per day orally is irresponsible as taking those doses invariably causes toxic effects. Notably it causes kidney stones, reduces copper levels causes diarrhoea. You constant;y are advocating outdated fringe science on the topic. All the mainstream sources state the vitamin C should be taken within it's stated dose and if should exceed 500mg at the very most. Please see the following sites: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] This sort of information pushing is dangerous and irresponsible as individuals may be inclinded to take this as healthcare advice. Please try to be a bit more balancd when editing vitamin c —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medos2 (talk • contribs) 12:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

All of the above are to jounalist's pages with no mention of a science basis for the stated dangers of overdose. Can you provide serious peer reviewed science for your claims of the effects of overdose? If you are concerned about toxic effects then I suggest you add fully referenced material to the "Adverse effects" section in the article.

Paulings book was a best seller and was historically significant in the public interest in taking high levels of Vitamin C. It needs to be mentioned for historic reasons even if you disagree with what he said.

Lumos3 (talk) 14:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, as requested peer-reviewed scientific journals on the topic of vitamin C toxicity: [7], [8],

[9], [10].

Paulings book is a best seller but it is over 20 years old. I think that needs to be kept in focus. Medos ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree there is evidence that ascorbic acid increases oxalate formation but there is no evidence that it increases kidney stone formation. Correspondence does not equal causality. AA may have other effects in the body which may prevent stone formation. The Food and Nutrition Board panel on dietary antioxidants and related compounds suggested in 2000 that in vivo data do not clearly show a relationship between excess vitamin C intake and kidney stone formation See here page3 and ref 20. The article already notes this in the "Adverse effects" section. I have never seen a reputable study on the copper claim. The diarrhoea effect is well documented in the article , is reversible and harmless. Pauling's book was a popularisation of his ideas on AA from the early 1970s. His hypotheses have never been put to the test at his dose levels since then and there has been no study which has falsified them, so their age is not relevant. Mention of the book and Paulings deliberate role in promoting high doses is essential to a balanced historical view. Lumos3 (talk) 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The flip-side of your point if there is no study on Paulings' work then equally there is no study which validates them, but I understand that you are showing that it is not mainstream so I do understand. I think you've defended your point admirably. Thanks for addressing my concerns. Medos ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Perhaps one day we will see this headline:- Research Study Launched To Make Vitamin C A Drug (Its a spoof). Lumos3 (talk) 10:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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Stirling engine Intro

Hi Lumos,

I note you have added the phrase "which is unique to the Stirling engine" referring to the regenerator. This is not the case, there are many regenerative processes - in the field of heat engines it was famously applied to the open cycle Ericsson engines and continues to be used on Brayton cycle machines such as the gas turbine, usually in the form of the Ritz rotary regenerator. Ivo Kolin's 'The Evolution of the Heat Engine' is a very good primer on the various cycles.

I do hope this business of a concise, accurate and digestable intro is sorted soon without too many clashes. The Stirling engine is something of an enthusiasm of mine and at the moment I feel the whole article is doing it a great disservice by being cumbersome and convoluted. To get the intro right would be a good starting point - though actually it wasn't too bad a few edits ago, but if I start reverting again Mikiemike will have me strung up!

81.134.14.178 (talk) 14:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Apologies , I bow to your greater knowkedge. I was trying to convey that the Regenerator is an essential feature of a Stirling engine, although I now read that some engines may lack it and still be called SEs so Im now bemused. Lumos3 (talk) 18:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt removal of the offending statement - I'm fed up with being the bad guy!

Indeed, all Stirling engines should have some form of regeneration, but not all regenerative engines are Stirlings. As all Stirling engines are hot air engines, within the extended definition encompassing other gaseous working fluids, but not all hot air engines are Stirlings - ooh err, a bit controversial!

The reason for your bemusement is, I think, that in some engines cyclic heat exchange with the walls of the gas passages between the hot and cold heat exchangers provides a significant regenerative effect, classing them as Stirling engines even in the absence of an identifiable regenerator. This is particularly true of small engines where the ratio of surface are to swept volume is favorable. Remember that for geometrically similar designs, surface area is, of course, proportional to the square of linear dimensions while volume is proportional to the cube - one of the reasons why the performance of a SE does not scale in the same way as an internal combustion engine. As the size of an SE increases steps must be taken to increase the surface areas through which heat is exchanged eg adding multi-tubular hot and cold ends and mesh regenerator.

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79.78.12.95 (talk) 21:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Thanks for your explanations of the Stirling engine regenerator. It seems you havent been given a formal welcome so here it is. Lumos3 (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Lumos3 (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |}

Thank you for the welcome Lumos.

You will note that I have decided to register as it seemed edits from unregistered users are treated with suspicion in some quarters. Unfortunately, even after rather reluctantly taking that step and posting what I imagined to be a constructive and even conciliatory (indicating that I might be prepared to recant on the 'hot air engine' question) piece on the Strling engine discussion page, I was treated to another agressive, bullying response to which I'm afraid I responded in kind. So, I have not found wikipedia the friendy community of people simply wishing to share their knowledge with others it is apparently supposed to be and feel shut out of the article I am probably most able to contribute productively to.

Yours dissapointed Pv=mrt (talk) 08:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Lumos

I'm writing to request your comments in this discussion on the talk page for New Age. It's a long discussion, mostly I thought you might be interested regarding the later portions of the thread. Thanks. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 19:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Sirling engine 'waste heat'

Hi Lumos,

Yes,the Stirling engine does offer possibilities for utilising waste heat from other processes, but my intention in this instance was to highlight the ease with which heat from the 'cold end' of a SE can be recovered for, say, domestic water heating. In contrast to an internal combustion engine where the waste heat is split between the cooling system and exhaust gasses - recovery from the latter beng particularly challenging. This is one of the characteristics that makes the SE uniquely suited to domestic CHP. Perhaps my wording could have been better and I invite you to improve upon it whilst retaining the original meaning. Pv=mrt (talk) 19:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Utilisation of waste heat - I am not convinced this is real beyond marketeering. The citation does not support it. Waste heat can be utilised from any heat engine and there is nothing about a Stirling engine that seems special in this. Exhaust gases from a stirling engine combustion chamber would be as difficult to use as exhaust gases from an Internal combustion engine. Please find a citation. Lumos3 (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

A Stirling engine already has a heat exchanger to remove 'waste' heat from the working fluid at the compression end, whereas practically any other prime mover would require additional exchanger(s) in CHP applications. Stack losses from the combustion system can be reduced to a low level using a recuperative combustion air pre-heater - this is extensively explored in "The Air Engine" Point taken though and I shall seek a suitable ref. Pv=mrt (talk) 21:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I haven't got to the stage of trawling through back copies of 'Stirling News' yet, but so far no suitable ref has presented itself from my library (must have read it somewhere!. A quick google search produced this http://www.ingenia.org.uk/ingenia/articles.aspx?Index=108 which has a slightly oblique ref (see third para of "operation of the Stirling engine") - would that satisfy you? Pv=mrt (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

This article does not make it clear if its talking about the heat from the cold side of the engine or the waste heat from the combustion chamber. I suspect its the combustion chamber. Its clear the SE is versatile and can utislise heat in a ways that other engines cannot but the statment that its own waste heat can be particularly easily used is not supported in theory or practise. In a combined Heat and power scheme the engine is in effect running on the waste heat of the heating boiler and using it to make electricity. Its the boiler heat that is more efficiently used. Lumos3 (talk) 07:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Seems pretty clear to me. I quote:- "Again, in order for the engine to operate, waste heat must continuously be removed from the cool end of the engine. With Domestic CHP the heat is taken away by the water in the central heating system." The crucial (though unwritten) point being that the required heat exchanger is already provided as an integral part of the SE - not an additional unit as required with, eg, ICE based systems where around 1/2 of the rejected cycle heat must be recovered from the exhaust stream. 'Stack loss' from the SE's combustion system is another issue and, as previously indicated, is best attacked using fairly conventional recuperative techniques. Perhaps I am in danger of making a virtue out of a neccesity but comparing the packaging of, say, the ICE based Honda MCHP and SE based Microgen, it is pretty clear which is most likely to find a place in the average kitchen.

My main intention in introducing the paragraph under discussion was to provide some sort of 'why should I be interested?' content to the introduction as suggested (by yourself?) in the discussion pages a while ago and on current evidence it appears that if the SE is to achieve any significant market penetration as a prime mover (something it has signally failed to do since the late 19th century), it is likely to be as the core component of domestic scale CHP systems Pv=mrt (talk) 09:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe the current phrasing of the introduction accomplishes this as it informs the reader of the versatility of the SE and its application in CHP. I dont think your quote is clear and universally stated enough for the claim to be made in the introduction where its a little confusing unless the reader knows some background. I have no problem if you want to add it in the section on CHP in the article. Lumos3 (talk) 10:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I think you understand what needs to be conveyed, so if you are happy that the current wording achieves this then we'll leave it at that. Pv=mrt (talk) 14:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Press coverage

As Wikia != wikipedia, I've removed the wikia story from press coverage. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I know Wikia is not Wikipedia but this and every other press article will explain Wikia in terms of Wikipedia so there is a going to be a lot of indirect press coverage of Wikipedia from the launch. I think we need to include at least one high profile article for the record. This is also an interview with Wales not just a news report, plus its in Forbes not just a backwater. I think it should stay.Lumos3 (talk) 23:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Nope. It's an article about Wikia. An interview about Wikia. Any Wikipedia mention is incidental. It just does not qualify; we do not record Wikia ... let them create their own press page. They are not us. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

OK fair enough. Lumos3 (talk) 07:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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I have added a longer description of the group with more citations. Lumos3 (talk) 20:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hello! :) I thought you might be interested in this. Check it out and add your name under "Participants" if your interested. Have a nice day and happy editing! --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks , I have joined up. Lumos3 (talk) 22:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Great! :) Thanks for joining and welcome to the task force! --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Christine Breese

Hello, can you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_breese and put in your vote to keep or delete, I am rather outnumbered by some non-spiritual people, could use someone who has a co-operative energy to look into the matter on a spiritual teacher article. Also please look into another article that was deleted that has been there for years at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_metaphysical_sciences but was deleted by a user as soon as I linked to it. Thanx (SpiritBeing (talk) 09:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing)

You need to find 3rd party news reports for both articles. Has she done any interviews with magazines or newspapers that are not published by her organisation? Find these and add them now to the article as citations and references. Otherwise I'm afaid I can offer little hope for the articles. Suggest you make personal back up copies of the wiki mark up so when such refferences do appear you can have a go at reinstatement. Lumos3 (talk) 10:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Survey request

Hi, Lumos3 I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions. Thank You, BCproject (talk) 13:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)BCproject

Orthomolecular

Hi there. I've been trying to find a form of words that might cover the same ground as that pseudoscience box and be acceptable to everybody involved. I think most of the editors on the page would agree that OM isn't as unreal as homeopathy or therapeutic touch, but is obviously seen as not mainstream science. Could you live with "This lack of serious testing of orthomolecular medicine has led to its practices being classed with other less plausible forms of alternative medicine and regarded as unscientific." diff? Tim Vickers (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Your suggested wording sums up the situation as I see it. But I would qualify who is doing the regarding here. I expect you know that some in OM see a deliberate conspiracy by those who stand to profit from patented medicines to discredit forms of treatment that cannot be patented even if their efficacy has been demonstrated. I suggest a small addition.

"This lack of serious testing of orthomolecular medicine has led to its practices being classed with other less plausible forms of alternative medicine and regarded as unscientific by some critics."

In support of this we need to cite who the people are who are commenting negatively on orthomolecular medicine itself , rather than just multi/mega vitamin taking. ie the critic should mention OM directly. Lumos3 (talk) 16:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Could you repost this at Talk:Orthomolecular_medicine#Compromise, so that others can comment? Should have given you the link before, sorry. Tim Vickers (talk) 16:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

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