Ludasaphire

January 2009

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Thanks for the comments, even if you're only a bot (whatever that is!). In any event, you're a respectful and helpful bot, and your apology is accepted. I looked up the guidelines and under WP:External links#What_should_be_linked, a link to a social networking site may be included when it is the official website for a business, organization, or person. So, I put the info box back and included the external link to the band's myspace site, since it appears to me to be the band's official web site. There's also a www.joshsolomon.com website, but that is just an "under construction" page with a link to the myspace site. There's also a www.emptypockets.com site, but that goes directly to the myspace site. So, I'm assuming the myspace site is the band's official web site. If there is a special rule that applies to musical groups with respect to social networking, I couldn't find it. My apologies if I missed something. OK, now I think I'm supposed to sign this. Hopefully I'm getting this right. --Ludasaphire (talk) 06:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

The Cartel (record distributor)

WTF? Why was that deleted? Would you happen to have a wl to the deletion debate?

Thanks Andy Dingley (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Andy Dingley! Don't mean to be too excited, but I'm very new to this, and you're the first real person with whom I'm commenting. Let me see if I can help...

It looks like The Cartel (record distributor) was proposed for deletion by User:Aitias late last year. Then, since there was no objection for over five days, User:Aitias went ahead and deleted the page. Therefore, there was no debate. I have no idea why it was deleted but given what I'm learning, my guess is that there was no references given or something like that. In any event, it's very easy for you to start the discussion process. You might start by looking at a general note that User:Aitias left here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aitias/deleted. As you can see, just like me -- albeit on a much more modest scale since I was just cleaning up some internal links to deleted pages -- User:Aitias was just serving the Wikipedia community by cleaning up some pages that might have needed some work. Since nobody was watching them to either explain why they shouldn't be deleted or clean them up (adding References, or what not) he went ahead an deleted them.

Good luck! And let me know if you do start the deletion debate. I'd be happy to read both sides and chime in.--Ludasaphire (talk) 13:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

There's now a new article at The Cartel (record distributor). I think there's about 2 lines left from the old one. Andy Dingley (talk) 03:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Andy Dingley, you really did a great job. I found it interesting and well researched. You'll note that I went in and chimed in to "Keep" the article. I also indicated that one sentence should either have a Reference or be modified so as not to conclude that they were "effective" and so on, since to me that's not a neutral point of view. Of course, I'm new to this, so maybe that's perfectly fine. In any event, it looks like you saved the article. Nice job!

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I'm very new to Wikipedia so before tackling a big project -- I want to re-create Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal (a law firm I worked at when in law school) -- I decided to just create a new page on a band I know in Chicago, Josh and the Empty Pockets and then make some modest updates to get the hang of this. I haven't gotten any feedback, but then I saw in the log for this page, I notice that you "marked Josh and the Empty Pockets patrolled". What does that mean, and did I do something wrong? Thanks!--Ludasaphire (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

"Marked Patrolled" just means that another editor, usually someone who goes through dozens if not hundreds of "new pages" in a sitting, checked out your page, either didn't see any problems or tagged it appropriately for cleanup (or deletion in the case of vandalism), and marked it "patrolled" so other editors could skip over it while doing new page patrol themselves. You didn't do anything wrong! Although, from the looks of your law firm page, you might want to have a look at at the article regarding Neutral Point of View, as the page has been tagged that it reads like an advertisement. Make sure you have a read through the above linked articles, too, as they'll help you a lot (I still refer to them pretty regularly myself!)

Again, welcome! --HamatoKameko (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks HamatoKameko. I appreciate the feedback and tips.--Ludasaphire (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandal

Hi. Other than "putting things right", is there anything else I should do about a vandal? I see that in the law firm Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal someone added about the firm's chair that he was a dushbag.

Thanks for any guidance.--Ludasaphire (talk) 00:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. :) As for vandals, it's a good idea to give the appropriate warning on their talk page, both for the person vandalizing, as well as to help other editors to know if the person they're warning has been warned recently. Enough warnings in a given span of time can lead to said user being banned. -HamatoKameko (talk) 13:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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I appreciate your notice Soundvisions1. I've tried very hard to write only in a neutral tone and have made it a rule with every single statement I make to try to cite reliable, third-party published sources. Am I so off, in your judgment, that I'm editing tendentiously? If so, I'll definitely step back. I honestly thought that the articles were written in a way that Wikipedia readers would be interested in consulting them as a reference. I'm truly sorry if I've missed that mark. If your concern stems from my attempt to use pictures in the David Spero article, I can explain that in researching for the article, I came across in some articles what I thought were very interesting pictures, some from the '50s and '70s, and tried to track them down. A journalist I contacted put me in touch with Mr. Spero (whom I had never met and didn't know). He pointed me to his personal collection and I thought I found a great source to use, only to learn that just because you "own" a picture, doesn't mean you have rights to the copyright. So, I'm in the process of trying to track down the appropriate copyright owner for permission. I certainly didn't intend any harm; I just thought the pictures added a lot to the article. Now that I know, I can avoid that particular mistake in the future. Thanks, again, Soundvisions1. Any additional insight into your concern about my editing would be appreciated. Regards, Ludasaphire (talk) 15:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Unlike many of these cases the issue is not that any of the articles you have created are on non-notable subjects but the fact you may be close to the subjects. Beyond the possible COI issues it appears you are here as an SPA. The easiest thing to do is just be 100% honest and say if you are either the subject of any of the articles, are related to anybody in the articles, or work with/for anybody who is the subject of the articles. If you are this does not mean these articles will be deleted, it just means you need to step back and find other means to place so much information about related topics. You also need to be upfront if you are using more than one account and editing from more than one location - home, work, on the road, a studio, a club or the like.

As for the images relating to David Spero, my concern is that the OTRS was issued without doing full research. Many people have "private collections" of images, but they do not hold the copyright on them. Many artists have photographs of themselves taken by various people and many of them are on personal websites and social networking sites but that does not mean the subject owns those images either. So in this case, the PD licenses on some of the images I do not believe are correct and may be copyright violations.

But first thing first - are you in any way involved with any of the subjects of your articles? Remember that not being 100% up front now may affect your ability to edit here if it comes into question at a later date. Soundvisions1 (talk) 20:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I truly appreciate the education. Had I read the bit about close relationships before starting to contribute, I would have noted that upfront as you have now with the box at the top of two of my articles. By the way, you might want to add the box to Solomon curve since I’m also related to the subject of that article. On the other hand, I have no relationship with David Spero who I just learned about right before I started to research and write that article.

So, as you say, first things first: Although I’m not “the band's manager or a band member's spouse” I am related to one of the band members of Josh and the Empty Pockets. I’m also related to the subject of Solomon curve. [EDIT: In fact, I decided to go ahead and add the notice to the Solomon curve article both because I should have done that or something similar when I wrote it, and to save you the trouble.]

My intent is definitely not to be an SPA nor to promote anyone or anything. But I can see how it appears to you that that’s what I’m doing.

I feel like I should explain: I love Wikipedia and wanted to learn how to contribute. Early on I was somewhat discouraged learning all that went into contributing to or creating an article. So, to get started, I chose something that I found easy and fun to do research about since I was a fan. Although I’m related, it didn’t occur to me at the time that that would preclude me from writing the article. Looking at it now, it seems that, in fact, I’m not strictly forbidden but I need to exercise great caution. “Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral, but it may incline you towards some bias.” As I said, even without being familiar with the COI issue, I tried very hard -- bending over backwards, I thought -- to adhere to Wikipedia’s core content policies. Still, if you’ve detected bias, I’ll take your word for it and stop contributing to those two articles.

But to be clear, I am not the subject of any of the articles. Also, I don’t work for or with anybody or anything related to any of the subject articles. I don’t live with any of them. No one asked me to write them or even knew I was working on them until I published them. But since the criteria is being related, then I have a COI that I should have disclosed before now.

In terms of the images, I’ve been learning a lot about copyright that I didn’t know. You say that I didn’t do “full research.” When I added them, it felt like I was doing the research of Sherlock Holmes. But I realize now that you’re right. In fact, I don’t know who the copyright holders are even though Mr. Spero insisted that he was the copyright holder, I don’t think he understands US law on this. Can’t blame him as I didn’t either until I messed this up. Well, now I know -- counter intuitively to me at least -- that whomever snaps a picture owns the copyright of the image even if the picture is taken with someone else’s camera at someone else’s request, unless otherwise agreed or under an employee/employer relationship (I think I’ve got that right?). In any event, I might try a little bit further to see if I can find the photographer/copyright holder of one or more of the photos before giving up. But, as with the possible COI and SPA issues that you point out, my intent was to contribute positively to Wikipedia.

Finally, although I contribute and edit from a bunch of places, I only have one login, so I assume that’s not an issue. My wife tried to contribute for a short time, but found the process too much trouble so gave up.

Again, thanks for your clear and detailed explanation. Ludasaphire (talk) 02:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

← Just following up. You still need an OTRS for File:Spero in Ante Up Studio B.jpg as you did not take the photo. Other than that things are looking good. Thanks for your help and understanding with all of this. Soundvisions1 (talk)

Thanks for the reminder, Soundvisions1, and for the education. I was so focused on some of the harder approvals I forgot to nail this one down. I'll try to get that done in the next week or so. Ludasaphire (talk) 02:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, Soundvisions1, I got the person who took the photo -- File:Spero in Ante Up Studio B.jpg -- to send an email to permissions@wikimedia.org. I think that's the last of these issues I need to resovle, but let me know if I forgot anything. I won't be editing any of these pages anymore other than, perhaps, making suggestions from time to time on the talk pages and allowing other editors add, or not, as they see appropriate. All the best, Ludasaphire (talk) 06:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thumbs up! If everyone was as understanding as you with such issues it would be a groovy thing. Thanks. Soundvisions1 (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

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