User talk:LM2000/Archive 9

Women in WWE

Hi, LM. I hope you are fine and had a nice New year. Thanks for your contributions to the PG Era, I think it's a very fine, well sourced article. I was reading the Women in WWE article and I think it has the same problems. Most of them is WP:CRUFTY WP:COATRACK, since just follows every single thing a women did during her time in WWE. In the RA era, there is a huge part just saying women left WWE, which is very common, wrestlers left WWE all time. Do you think the article needs a fix? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:15, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the article has some cruft, as nearly all wrestling articles do, but it's not the worst I've seen. The top section in particular seems pretty well put together considering it covers nearly 40 years of material. I do think the RA subsection is the worst of it, but it also makes sense to me to mention some of them leaving because the departure of some of the bigger stars is part of the reason (not the only one) the 2008-2012 era was a bad time for women's wrestling. It does need cleanup though.LM2000 (talk) 00:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I've looked closer at the article and I'm surprised at how bloated the "Women's Evolution" section is. A lot of the championship stuff is already at Women's championships in WWE or should be there. Much work could be done.LM2000 (talk) 06:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. The whole article has a lot of in-universe storylines or trivia data. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

HHH Pedrigree, I know we talked about this a long time ago, but I trimmed even more now. I hope it looks ok.LM2000 (talk) 09:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry for the delay, I was in a holiday trip. Well, I think is very good :). Also, there is an article that has my attention, the NWA Jr. Heavyweight title. If you want, you can help :) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:51, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

January 2021

You appear to have removed WP:RS information on the article PG Era based on personal view, regarding Extreme Rules (2012) being the only pay per view after 2008 that received TV 14 ratings, and it has extreme WP:RS, WP:V coverage and meets Wp:Notability guidlines of that article. Please refrain from removing WP:RS contents based on personal views, and seek WP:RfC for such change. Thank you. Dilbaggg (talk) 19:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Nothing in that warning is accurate. I'm glad to see that you aren't a sockpuppet but you'll run into trouble sooner or later if you keep up this disruptive behavior.LM2000 (talk) 19:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Btw I didn't use this as a warning, just a notification, i used the information icon, not the warning icon, you are a senior user and I know you won't engage in disruptive editings, otherwise I would have said you did, I just pointed out the removal of Wp:RS info of WP:Notable event is questionable, but there can be good reasons for it as you later said in talk page. Take care. Dilbaggg (talk) 20:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Have a good day Dilbaggg.LM2000 (talk) 20:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Gobbledy Gooker

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Twitter for opinion

Hello, how are you? I have a question. As you know, I want to improve the style, persona and legacy sections. I included something into Zack Ryder, a tweet from Drake Maverick. However, it was removed since Wikipedia says we can't use Twiiter. What can you tell me? I think that, in this case, is valid since Maverick, a pro wrestler, gives an opinion (not a fact). [1] --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm doing well. WP:RSP says Twitter is unreliable, but it's fine for self-published opinion from verified accounts. It also says "Twitter should never be used for third-party claims related to living persons." To be honest, I've used tweets on BLPs before as long as they weren't negative comments. I think the Maverick addition is okay personally because he's just stating his opinion and isn't really making a controversial claim, but that's just my interpretation of it.LM2000 (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I think the same. It's an opinion, not a fact. Also, since Maverik is also a pro wrestler, makes his opinion kind of relevant. It's not different from Maverik giving his opinion during an interview. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

LOL

Gobbeldy Gooker GA? That's awesome ♟♙ (talk) 22:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much. That's my greatest contribution to this website.LM2000 (talk) 23:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

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Edits to Mark Halperin page

Why do you keep undoing my edits to the Mark Halperin page? All edits are sourced to major newspaper and accurate up to date information.Truthfactsmatter (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthfactsmatter (talk • contribs) 20:48, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Women's revolution

Hello, LM. How are you? Today, I saw on Reddit a video of Maria complaining about WWE, how the company promotes Women's Revolution but it's just promotion. Do you think that we can create a "criticism" section in the Women's revolution? For example, Gail Kim complained about WWE several times, Maria, Mickie James (one executive told her "women's wrestling doesn't draw"...) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I think we could have a section for reception, there's definitely a lot of material to work with.LM2000 (talk) 02:48, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Nice. I have included the 3 claims (Kim, Maria and James). Maybe you want to include more. I don't know, but I always find negative reception instead of positive reception. Also, I have eleted A TON of content. These artices covers women's, but not every women, every title change nor every women released. Also, including every time "first time ever, first time ever" feels like WWE corporative, promotional speech. Main eventing WM is huge, A women's MITB, Rumble and EC are nice. But "first time ever the RAW, SD and NXT champion main evented" or "the first time the Women's tag team title main evented" feels promotional. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The article was a mess. I went through and cleaned some of it up (especially PG and Ruthless Aggression) after we talked about it last time. There were multiple sentences about the giant lady that was hired to do NXT season three ten years ago but got dropped before the season started. I'll never understand why some people edit the way they do.LM2000 (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I have seen many pro wrestling articles are a mess. Most of them with in-universe, overdetailed storylines, good for pro wrestling fans but bad for WikiAdmins and no-wrestling fans. Talking about the women in WWE, I don't see a over complicated storyline between Flair, Ronda and Lynch as notable or the bu**it around Carmella as the first MITB winner. Some of the articles are just weekly updates of everything. Mansoor made his debut, fine. But I don't know why his match against Sheamus is notable. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Vince McMahon

Hello, LM. I hope you're fine. I added Ryan to my watchlist, maybe I can remove vandalism. One thing, an user included several quotes in the Vince McMahon Legacy section. I think It's fine, but maybe too much. I think we can summarized much betetr, without so much detail. What do you think? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Definitely needs a good trimming. Basically everyone in the wrestling business has something to say about McMahon, they all can't get a whole paragraph in his biography.LM2000 (talk) 07:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Ruthless Aggression Era article

Hi there. Your article on the PG Era was well-done; have you thought about doing a similar one for the Ruthless Aggression Era? It doesn't have an article here, which creates a gap in information between the Attitude and PG Eras.--174.55.91.169 (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

We should have articles on Ruthless Aggression and the New Generation. I don't have time to do work on them at the moment though. I'll gladly help out when I can, as I did on PG Era, but I can't get the ball rolling at the moment. Dilbaggg may be interested in doing that.LM2000 (talk) 10:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

The Godfather

Hello. Recently I saw an interview with The Godfather. Do you want to improve with me the style and persona section? He has a lot of gimmicks (Papa Shango, Kama, Godfather, Goodfather) and it's a classic. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been busy lately. I'll take a look when I can. He does deserve a good article though, he's a legend.LM2000 (talk) 08:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

John Cena

Hi there! I kind of respectfully disagree that you have removed [[2]] the entire section from John Cena article. Although, I do agree that naming section "Controversies" wasn't that in line with the WP:CSECTION, but what is the difference about this, for instance: Mel_Gibson#Controversies? Kolma8 (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for you civil comment! I think there are some big differences here, Mel Gibson has a prolific history of public drunkenness and making bigoted comments. This has had a big impact on his career over multiple decades. John Cena made headlines for a week because he stupidly fell into a controversy over Eastern politics. Some pundits responded to it, but it largely blew over a week later and his career doesn't seem to be affected. A brief mention of the incident is mentioned elsewhere in the article but a full paragraph seems to be WP:UNDUE, unlike with Gibson.LM2000 (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I see your point. I still disagree, but I think there is no pressing matter on this "China" controversy with Cena and we can surely just wait and see if there will be more follow up news on this. Cheers and thanks for your WP contributions. Kolma8 (talk) 03:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, and I appreciate yours as well. I agree that we'll need to give more in-depth coverage if the story continues.LM2000 (talk) 11:52, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Daffney

Hello. I have seen you edited Daffney article. Yesterday I saw this. Maybe there is information you can use :) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:05, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) I've been thinking about adding a paragraph about the tributes and reaction to her death and that article is very helpful.LM2000 (talk) 15:21, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hardcore wrestling

Hello. As always, I have seen you edited Hardcore wrestling. If you want, I have some suggestions about the article. One, it's CM Punk (7:15) calling it garbage wrestling and gives an explanation about it. Also, We have many Jim Cornette complains. [3] [4] [5] Jerry Lawler also called ECW Extreme Crappy Wrestling [6] but I think it's more of a storyline rather than a complain about the style. Jimmy Havoc also talked about the style [7]. Maybe I will find more stuff. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, I can try to find something about the hardcore wrestling in the 2010's, since the style is very popular again thanks to Gage and GCW. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, the article needs a lot of improvement. I was surprised to see how much is missing. I'll see what I can do in a few days.LM2000 (talk) 08:23, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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Memphis Hall of Fame

Hello, LM. Sorry to bother you. Recently, I read that Kurt Angle was inducteed into the Memphis Wrestling Hall of Fame. I had a surprise when I discovered that the article wasn't updated, so I tried. However, there are many wrestlers I don't know or their influence in the Memphis territory. Can you take a look? Thank you so much. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:01, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

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WWE Hall of Fame: Legacy Wing 2021

Hi, thanks for letting me know about the image copyrights. I reached out to Al Balog (Youtube wrestling historian), and he gave me permission for me to use his Steve Williams image on Wikipedia. 67.249.36.13 (talk) 07:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm back

Hello, LM. How are you? After a little wiki break, which I needed to take care of my mental health, I'm back. So, if you need help with some article, tell me :) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back, I hope you're doing well my friend. I just got back a wiki break too (just a vacation) so I don't have much going on.LM2000 (talk) 08:22, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Has been a very hard times and also, a time to think. At one point, I realized that I spent more time here rather than my job or friend and that isn't good. So I came back, I will spent less time but I want to improve articles. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

That's good to hear. I decided to do the same awhile ago. This can be a good hobby but it can also get toxic at times. It's important to remember what really matters in life.LM2000 (talk) 09:05, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

The Reality Era

I already explained to another editor about their mistake, so am copy-pasting here. Just because an article doesnt use the name of the era doesnt mean the match didn't happen during the said era. We all know Mankind vs Undertaker, Rock vs Austin happened in the attitude era, but every WP:RS regarding thsoe matches doesnt mention the name "Attitude Era". The amazing Lesnar vs Rollins vs Cena triple threat match happened within the The Reality Era time frame, thus it makes it the part of that ea and it is widely regarded as the best match of that era. Also there are many sources that names them part of The Reality Era [8] but that is unnecessary, the fact that it happened within the time frame says it all! Anyway i don't want to Wp:EW, so will wait 24 hours. Dilbaggg (talk) 08:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC) Dilbaggg (talk) 08:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't think they made a mistake and please do not copy and paste.LM2000 (talk) 08:47, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

IMDB

I put IMDB after someone put it as a source for a wrestler's real name. I really think it should be there on the unreliable source list in order to make sure of it. Some may not be aware of the WP policy. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you, IMDb shouldn't be used as a source. I just replaced your comment with a reference to WP:RSP, which basically says that it's unreliable.LM2000 (talk) 09:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Well okay. I just think the mention of wrestler's names should be there to provide context - given that IMDB isn't a wrestling website or a new website. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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More about the eras

If you can take a look, the new WWE book includes dates for several eras. [9] "Author Jeremy Brown takes a "raw" look at the WWE Championship by breaking down each WWE era in chronological order: - Early Years - 1967-1980s - The Golden Era - 1980s to early 1990s - New Generation -- Early 1980s to mid-1990s - Attitude Era - Mid-1990s to early 2000s - Reality Era - 2014 to 2016 - The New Era - 2016 to the present " Maybe you can use it in some articles. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Very strange that they skip from Attitude Era to Reality Era in the summary. I'm sure there is more information in the book, I'll see if I can find more.LM2000 (talk) 07:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!

Hello LM2000: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, ★Trekker (talk) 13:31, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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• Thanks Trekker! Always nice to hear from you. Hope you enjoy the holidays!LM2000 (talk) 13:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad

Buenos días, LM. Feliz Navidad. Espero que pases unas felices fiestas con los tuyos. Y un año más, agradecerte tu buen humor y la ayuda que me has brindado estos años en Wikipedia :) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I took three years of Spanish in high school and barely learned a word 😂. As I tell my Spanish-speaking friends irl, "hablo un poquito Español". Feliz Navidad mi amigo.LM2000 (talk) 11:12, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Translation: Good morning. Merry Christmas. I hope you have a very happy holidays with your family. One more year, thanks for your good mood and the help you gave me this years in Wikipedia.