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edits to Swahili coast and Swahili people

Hello Khysion, I am wondering why you insist on changing the Swahili coast and Swahili people pages to say that the Swahili are in western Kenya - this is simply not true. The Swahili Coast is eastern Kenya, along the Indian Ocean (not Lake Victoria in the west). "Littoral" refers to a place along the shore - in this case, it should be the Indian Ocean. Please help me understand your reasoning here. I'm also tagging an administrator, Yamaguchi先生, who may be able to help us resolve this before it turns into an edit war. Thanks. Ninafundisha (talk) 13:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello sir. As you see, the Ajuuran empire a medievel Somali kingdom once ruled eastern Kenya which were Lemu regions and later after the collapse of Ajuuran empire it was divided into 3 regional clan kingdoms, but the most predominent one was the Gelederi sultanate which use to control the Lemu coast and even made the Oman king to make tribute to the Geledi sultanate in Lemu and historically speaking the whole kenyen and even the south-east of Africa was once settled by southern Cushites. I actually believe that eastern Kenya is Cushitic stronghold, if add Somali and Oromo ethnic groups ofcourse.

Even the FBI map of Greater Somalia says the same thing, which includes eastern Kenya, southern Ethiopia, Djibouti and whole of Somalia. Here: https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-b-ab&dcr=0&biw=1920&bih=971&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=greater+somalia&oq=greater+somalia&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i24k1.6037.8521.0.8637.15.15.0.0.0.0.171.1629.4j10.14.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.14.1618...0i67k1j0i8i30k1.pBCmM__rdvM#imgrc=rLGcWCFdSpVaIM:

• All of this is interesting information, but it doesn't change the fact that the area know as the Swahili Coast is not in western Kenya, it is in eastern Kenya along the Indian Ocean. Ninafundisha (talk) 18:39, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello there. Sir, I think you should look into the Swahili coastal map. It literally covers from western Kenya towards Tanzania ending at nothern Mozambique. It doesn't cover eastern Kenya proving my point why I said western Kenya because it's inhabited by native Cushites.

• With all respect, what you are saying does not make sense. Historically, the area considered the Swahili Coast stretches from northern Mozambique, along the Indian Ocean, the Tanzanian coast, the Kenyan coast, and the Somalia coast. It has nothing to do with western Kenya. I am going to submit this thread for dispute resolution, as the pages for Swahili Coast and Swahili people really need to be changed back to indicate that we're talking about the Indian Ocean coast, not Lake Victoria. Ninafundisha (talk) 19:22, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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Western Kenya

It's find Ninafundisha, we're resolving our issues here. Sir, I think you're heavily mistaken on Swahili coastal history. They never touched Somali coast and heck they didn't even pass eastern Kenya. Did you know the Ajuran empire a Somali medieval kingdom ruled from the Somali coast towards eastern Kenya? They existed from 10th century towards 17th century and were known to dominate the Indian ocean trade. Even during the collapse of the Ajuuran empire, the Geledo Sultanate ruled eastern Kenya and even made the Omani king to make a tribute in the modern day Lemu. Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yusuf_(Gobroon)

So sir, where the hell are you even getting this information from about Swahili coast ruling the Somali coast when powerful Somali kingdoms already existed there. And by the way, the map about Swahili coast even proves my point because it covers western Kenya. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swahili_coast

• Mogadishu is considered by most scholars to be one of the northernmost cities on the Swahili coast. Outside link here to a book from John Mugane: https://books.google.com/books?id=zIwNCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=mogadishu+swahili+coast&source=bl&ots=W7NoKDn-R8&sig=9XMamkQ4QXqNwW3_g10wHGAJ1oY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_1ZePt5vWAhWLx4MKHdk6BK0Q6AEIYjAO#v=onepage&q=mogadishu%20swahili%20coast&f=false, see also this map: http://www.songomnara.rice.edu/images/e_africa_map_large.jpg. I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of the map of the Swahili coast on Wikipedia - it in no way covers western Kenya. The green area is in eastern Kenya. Finally, I am not a "sir," but I do have extensive experience working on the Swahili Coast. Ninafundisha (talk) 20:20, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I don't know why you are jumping place to place but your sources are absolutely inaccurate. Mogadishu was considered in the medieval times as the capital of Ajuuran empire and later ruled by Hiraab Sultanate which was a Somali tribal kingdom after the collapse of Ajuran empire. Are you telling me the Somali capital was ruled by Swahili coastal people? Sorry, but on the western side of Mogadishu such as Kismayo, Barawa, Merca, Lemu and Ras Kombi were considered major ports by the Ajuuran empire. Here are the sources debunking your fallacy made article: https://www.boundless.com/world-history/textbooks/boundless-world-history-textbook/african-civilizations-381/east-african-empires-50/the-sultanates-of-somalia-1025-17626/

Heck, do you know Ibn Battuta? He visited Mogadishu in the 13 century and he mentions that the people of Zeila and Mogadishu share the same ethnicity since both were capitals of different kingdoms known as Ajuran empire and Adal Sultanate.

When Ibn Battuta arrived in 1331, Mogadishu stood at the zenith of its prosperity. He described it as "an exceedingly large city" with many rich merchants, noted for its high-quality fabric that was exported to other countries, including Egypt. Ibn Battuta added that the city was ruled by a Somali Sultan, Abu Bakr ibn Sayx 'Umar, who was originally from Berbera in northern Somalia and spoke both Somali (referred to by Battuta as Mogadishan, the Benadir dialect of Somali) and Arabic with equal fluency. The Sultan also had a retinue of wazirs (ministers), legal experts, commanders, royal eunuchs, and assorted hangers-on at his beck and call.

The sources I was shown clearly shows you that Mogadishu was the capital of Ajuran empire and last time I checked the Ajuran empire was an exclusive Somali empire and Ibn Battuta met the Somali Sultan of Mogadishu which debunks the article you have shown me.

If Mogadishu was ruled by Swahili than why did Ibn Battuta distinguish his sources and separated them as being Somalis and Swahili's? Read his travelling journeys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Battuta

By the way, Ajuuran empire ruled eastern Kenya which debunks the Swahili fairy tales. I hope you learned alot of information today since you got inaccurate sources and was misinformed.

• Look, I have no idea how we got into a discussion about Somalia's role in the development of the Swahili coast. Honestly that is not my concern here. All I wanted to do was fix the incorrect assertion that the Swahili Coast has anything to do with western Kenya instead of eastern Kenya. Those edits need to be fixed. Ninafundisha (talk) 20:57, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

So basically you're wrong about what you stated earlier and now you want to run away from the truth? No, Somali's inhabit eastern Kenya and historically was ruled by Somali kingdoms such as Ajuran Empire and Geledi Sultanate. Swahili coasts starts from western Kenya towards Tanzania ending at northern Mozambique. Period.

Sadly I was hoping a nicely civilized disscussions, but seems like I'm wrong.

• Hahahaha. I am in no way convinced that I'm wrong. I have never argued that Somalis haven't occupied eastern Kenya, and that they haven't ruled various parts of the coast. That doesn't mean that Mogadishu hasn't ever been considered part of the Swahili coast. I absolutely stand by my statement that the Swahili coast has nothing to do with western Kenya. Period. I'm moving this discussion over to the talk pages for Swahili coast and Swahili people, per the recommendation of an arbitrator on the dispute resolution board. Ninafundisha (talk) 22:39, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

I think you're missing the point. When I say western Kenya, I don't mean the whole west I just mean the western coast of Kenya, maybe I should've edited better so thanks for making me think better. As for Mogadishu and it's coast I already proven you that they were inhabited by Somali's for thousands of years and were ruled by various of Somali kingdoms and that Swahili's had nothing to do with it.

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