Juggab

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Genetics of Ancient Egypt

I redirected your article to DNA history of Egypt, which is an existing article with greater context.

If there are some points, however, that you believe that should be added to the article, please do so. I am happy to help.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:54, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I responded to a message you left at my talk page at User talk:CaroleHenson#Message. I put it in its own section - I think it was accidentally hidden in a table at the top of my talk page.

Please see WP:User talk pages for more information about communicating on talk pages.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Juggab. Thank you for your contribution. Unfortunately, it has been reverted. The source provided does not show the E1b1b connection you asserted in the paragraph. Most genetic evidence I am aware of shows ancient Egyptians to be Egyptians. Really nothing to support any SS African connection, including the recent DNA study in Nature communications. Please try to use proper sourcing next time to avoid having your contributions deleted.

Cheers, Λuα ^{(Operibus anteire)} 02:24, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi CaroleHenson. Thanks for the response. I didn't say modern Egyptians weren't descendant of the Ancient ones. I'm Aware of the 2017 study but also that area they found the remains is in Abusir el-meleq which is not far from Palestine and Israel. Which could be from migration. Also I said Ramesses III Dna reflects sub Saharan ancestry among his family is not recent. Juggab (talk) 07:07, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello! Could you provide a scholarly article stating Ramesses III is E1b1b? There is none that I could find, except sketch websites.

Cheers, Λuα ^{(Operibus anteire)} 16:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

PS note that having E1b1b does not make someone "African" or "Black." For instance, Napoleon is E1b1b1c1; no sane person would claim he was black. It just means there was an ancestor that lived in East Africa 30,000 years ago. 30,000 years is sufficient time to change lots in one's morphology and DNA.

Hi CarolHenson. Thanks for the amazing response. Hitler is also of the e1b1b haplogroup. I meant to say Ramesses III was E1b1a. Also thanks for correcting me I'll do more studies and such on this matter. Juggab (talk) 20:08, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

But I have to ask one question since Ramesses III was of E1B1A haplogroup that wouldn't make him black since he doesn't phenotypically resemble those south of the Sahara also since he has a different skull type of most E1b1a carriers ? Juggab (talk) 20:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, this is something to find from a source. Did you, perhaps, mean this question for Aua who seems to be more knowledgeable about the subject?

I was just reviewing articles in the Special:NewPagesFeed and noticed that your article was like an existing article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:08, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, there are two editors who are conversing with you, Juggab. First, there is CaroleHenson, who made the initial changes to your edits, and was very kind to still come back to this page and tag me. Then, there is myself. I noticed CaroleHenson's edits and thought I'd also drop you a note to let you know where we are on the topic of Egyptian DNA. You can tell us apart by the signature that appears at the end of our comments.

Re: your question: E1b1a haplogroup on its own really doesn't tell you much about what Ramesses III. In all likelihood, he wasn't what you'd consider "black" in modern American ethnic classification. That said, there were some people of SS African ancestry in Ancient Egypt (e.g. Nubians), but they were definitely a very small minority (both temporally and geographically; the majority of DNA evidence will point in that direction in all likelihood). It would be wrong to label Egypt a "black civilization" the same way it would be wrong to label America a "black country" even though it has people of SSA origin (and even a president!).

Cheers, Λuα ^{(Operibus anteire)} 02:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)