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Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Jbmurray! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 4 of the articles that you created are Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to these articles, it would greatly help us with the current 944 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

1. John Lynch (historian) - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
2. Arturo Arias - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 07:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Yo si soy antipatica

Aqui: [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Archiving article discussion pages

I have looked until my eyes droop and cannot find the policy on archiving an article's discussion site. Last year there was a heated doscussion on the article entitled Earl of Clare. I was a part of it and a newby at the time. I am still a newby but alot wiser. Is it possible to archive that discussion page? Thanks in advance for any response. Mugginsx (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

It looks as though this was all resolved by the beginning of November. I see no reason why the discussion shouldn't the archived. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Can I, as an editor archive this discussion site or must it be done by an administrator. If I can, would you please direct me to the page that tells me how to do this? Thank you. Mugginsx (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

You can do it. Details here. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

(outdent:) I've gone ahead and done this for you, as I don't see anything particularly controversial about it. Again, any editor can archive, though clearly ongoing discussions should be kept on the talk page. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I sort of chickened-out because, feelings ran high at the time and I really believe that if I had initiated the archiving there would have been protests. Thanks to you, that has not happened, the discussion page is fresh and should any new editors with future information need to have discussion, the page is clear, while in the meanwhile the old is still preserved for possible future reference. Mugginsx (talk) 01:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

no problem!

Glad you liked it! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

here it is!

This is your new message. =)

--Svetlana 365 (talk) 18:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Hola!

Here's another new message :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thussen (talk • contribs) 18:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Tniamath and Alejo Carpentier

Jon, I just fixed Tniamath's attempt to sign up for Alejo Carpentier, but you might want to explain the problem to the student. They evidently clicked on the "edit" link that takes them to the article on Carpentier, and added their signature there, rather than clicking on the edit link on the right hand side of the paragraph and adding their signature to the list of signatures in the project page. I will leave a message on their talk page but I wanted you to be aware of it. Mike Christie (talk) 13:58, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, a couple of them did this. (You can see why they might.) Thanks for catching it, and thanks more generally for your help here and elsewhere. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Leyendas de Guatemala

Jon, I'd be happy to add my name as one of the liaisons for Leyendas de Guatemala, if you'd like. I see that's the last one without a liaison at the moment. My time on wiki may be a bit more limited than some other editors so I'll understand if you'd rather wait for another editor to volunteer. Mike Christie (talk) 09:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Mike, many thanks! And in fact (I think I messed up before) Ceranthor also volunteered for Leyendas, so I suspect that between the two of you all will be just grand!  :) --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 14:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Spanish admin needed

Jbmurray, do you have time to look in here? Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Epa, Jb, donde has estado? One more favor, if/when you have time. I haven't yet started reading this, but can you comment on the quality of the journal (Stockholm Review of Latin American Studies)? And, if you have time, the quality of the References used for that article? Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The briefest of looks suggests it's fine as a source. I hadn't heard of this particular publication (and I don't think it's particularly prestigious), but it's clearly a respectable, peer-reviewed journal. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much: do you have an opinion on Latin American Politics and Society? Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's a pretty well-known journal. Well-respected and scholarly. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again, J! Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I've read the article now. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Request for your help

The article on Jacques de Molay was probably 75% unsourced or improperly sourced (i.e., using a set of historical novels as a source) It was as it looked on 2 February when I added sourced material to the site and cleaned up Section Headings, without removing any text. Apparently my reference went in disarray and I fixed it quite properly as was asked by a minimal contributor to the site who is also an administrator. Now she has combined my material with someone elses, added a few word os her own to rephrase, thus making it her "original research". She then took the last sentence of my sourced material and placed it in a new paragraph telling me to give a "new" source to it as she calls my research "too old" and primary material. I am cutting and pasting the conversation here for your convenience to evaluate because I do not want any confrontation. Please advise. Here, for your convenience, follows what has transpired so far:

Beginning Discussion: I see that there are some sources to the article which appear to be a bit mangled. For example: "Raynald. ann. 1313, No. 39.—Raynouard, pp. 20.J-10.—Cbntin. Guill. Nangiac. ann. 1313.—Joann. de S.Victor. (Bouquet, XXI. 658).—Chrou. Anon. (Bouquet, XXI. 143).—Godefroy de Paris v. G033-6129.—Villani Cbron. viii. 92.— hron. CorneL Zantfliet ann. 1310 (Martene Ampl, Coll. V. 160).— Trithem. Chron. Hirsaug. ann. 1307.—Pauli ^mylii de Reb. Gcst. Franc. Ed. 1509, p. 431" Can anyone expand these to something intelligible, so that the information can be verified? I'm also concerned that these may be Primary Sources, rather than the Secondary Sources that are best for Wikipedia. See also WP:PSTS and WP:CITE. --Elonka 20:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The material was mine but the reference was not. I cannot explain it, however, I have re-inserted the proper reference. It is not a primary source though they are perfectly permittable here at Wiki and used, not only in Wiki, but throughout many scholarly works as well. What troubles me is the vast amount of unsourced material here. A large portion of the introductory paragraph is unsourced. The entire sections entitled "Youth" and "Arrest" are unsourced. In fact, various other information throughout the entire article is unsourced. I would not summarily delete it at this point however, but rather give the editors a chance to properly source their information. Though the material is not mine, I will be happy to try to find sources for these portions as my time permits. If anything should come out it may be the second paragraph on the "Curse" which mentions a series of "Novels" as its source. It is the reason I put in my paragraph in the "Curse". I do not like summary deletions without some kind of consensus, but this particular paragraph certainly has problems and to use a Novel as a source should really not be acceptable. Mugginsx (talk) 21:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

One more thing, I changed the Section Heading "References and Further Reading". They should never be together as they represent two different categories.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugginsx (talk • contribs)

Thanks, I expanded on your work, changed the section headers some more, and condensed the "Curse" section. I still have questions about the sources though. A couple of the cites just list titles, but without any other information about them... Are they from journals? Books? Who are the authors? What pages did the information come from? Also, one of the cites does have a fair bit of information, but it appears to be from a book which was published in 1888. For Wikipedia's purposes, we tend to look at very old sources such as that as primary sources, not secondary sources... Are there more modern sources available, to source the information? Thanks, --Elonka 22:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Again, the sections you referred to are NOT mine, therefore I cannot answer your questions. My source, used twice, was clearly referenced as to title, author and page. Also, when you combined the "Curse" section, you mixed my sourced section with an unsourced section and left the Novel material in. The "long" section you refer to is from a book, again, it is properly referenced and is NOT a primary source. A primary source would need to be some account by someone who was there at the time of the incident. The mixed section needs to be either put back in the way it was originally edited, then separated as to source, or in the alternative, taken out entirely. I think you will find that sources regularly used in Wiki articles, particularly medieval articles are full of sources that are much older than the source I gave. Mugginsx (talk) 23:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, if I've upset you, I apologize, that was not my intention. I actually like that we're both working on the same article, and look forward to finding the consensus version. For best results though, any sources used really need to be modern reliable sources. If the only source for a particular fact is something from pre-1900, it's probably not appropriate for Wikipedia. If you think I'm wrong though, we can definitely seek a third opinion. In the meantime though, if you're seeking newer sources for something, I highly recommend http://scholar.google.com and http://books.google.com :) --Elonka 23:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

You have certainly not upset me. I do find it strange however, that you are completely unmoved by the vast amount of totally unsourced material that I brought to your attention as well as a referenced portion which clearly uses a novel as its source and, instead you seem fixated on a scholarly book which does not disagree with anything said in more recent sources. In fact, the more "modern" sources probably use this as one of their source! It is not logical. Also your original research needs to come out. It is clearly against Wiki policy. As an adminstrator you surely remember hearing this. Mugginsx (talk) 23:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for any help or advise you would give me. I realize and I and am clearly new to editing in Wiki. I do however know my research and the difference between primary sources and "old sources" and "original research". I will defer to your judgment as I respect your work. Mugginsx (talk) 00:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

At a quick look, the discussion seems to be going as it should be there. It's a civil conversation between editors as to how to improve the article. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 15:55, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion Mugginsx (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Acknowledgement of an Excellent Administrator

The Admininstrator's Barnstar keeping the standards high

I think, too often, we tend to criticize the administrators more than praise them. That is too bad, but I would like to rectify that here in my praise for User:Jbmurray. He is a fair and just Administrator, not because of any particular service he has done for me, although he has done such services, but rather for his style, his innate sense of fairness and sometimes his gentle criticism too ALL editors who have had the good fortunate to seek his services. One has only to seek out his work to know that he is extremely knowledgeable, yet humble in his style. In my opinion, he is surely an exemplification of how Wiki defines a good administrator. I hope he is acknowledged for his work. He is surely the Administrator's Administrator. Mugginsx (talk) 15:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

hi

So I was going to just ask my group mates, but mr. Mike Christie advised me to post on your talk page - how do we hand in the annotated biblio? i know you probably said this in class, so sorry, but do we just post it on our article's talk page all together, or do you want it in another form also? Cheers, --Rekarrr (talk) 01:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Heya. The assignment asks you to "put this on your user page." That would be here, which I see is exactly where you put it. Excellent!

For what it's worth, and as I mentioned in class, the fancy way to do this would in fact to be to create a subpage. How to do that is detailed here. But that's slightly complex, and I don't want you guys to be bothered by such technicalities unless you want to be. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay I made a sub page thing. It's called /biblio (I don't know if the / should be there or not or how to remove it... sorry). I hope it looks better now. Thanks for the help!!!--Rekarrr (talk) 06:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Annotated Bibliography

Hi Jon, just wanted to let you know my assignment is posted on my Spanish page, not the English one. Hope you've had a good weekend. --Mstmaurice (talk) 01:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Philip IV of France

apparently, user 24.233.182.236 vandalized this site. "Undid", but wanted you to be aware. Thanks Mugginsx (talk) 09:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

He or she has done it again. Have sent a warning. Would you please intervene or tell me the proper place to report? Thank you Mugginsx (talk) 11:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Church

Hi Jbmurray. I used a quote from you in my filing statement at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Catholic Church. Please let me know if you feel I've misrepresented your intent, or if you are otherwise uncomfortable with my using your words. I'll be happy to fix it/remove if you feel it is necessary. Sorry to drag you into this in any way.... Karanacs (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Qp10qp

See here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

First time I've come across your name in my Latinamerican travels through Google scholar :)

An alternative to the neoliberal model in health: The case of Venezuela O Feo, CE Siqueira - International Journal of Health Services, 2004 - Baywood ... REFERENCES 1. Beasley-Murray, J. Venezuela: The revolution will not be televised: Pro-Chávez multitudes challenge media blackout. NACLA Report on the Americas 36(1): 16–23, 2002. 2. Rosen, F., and Youngers, C. Divided society on the brink. ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Blogging

how does one get onto other students blogs so one like myself could read them? I am having the toughest time trying to figure out how i did it before. Feels kinda like im just going around in circles. thank so much :( --Laurarosenielsen (talk) 07:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

To access student blogs, go to http://blogs.ubc.ca/span365/. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Church RfC

Input is welcome at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Catholic Church. Sunray (talk) 01:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Alejo Carpentier photo

Hi Jon! Ettrig (talk) has brought it to our attention that the photo in our Alejo Carpentier article is actually flagged for being incorrectly licensed. But this is the same photo that you looked at with our group last week in class and we all saw that it was okay. ....did we miss something?? Thanks! Katie322 (talk) 05:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hi Jon, my Wikipedia group is wondering who is responsible for submitting our page to see what Wiki grade/status it will receive. Is that something you're going to do after Monday (the 19th) or should we do that beforehand? Thanks! --Sezekiel (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering the same. Also wondering if you have received either of my emails. Still no reply and its been about a week. thanks. --Trowan (talk) 21:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Busy in Real Life

Wondering what has happened to our professor....--Trowan (talk) 06:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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FYI

I thought you might be interested in this initiative by Wikipedia - [2]. Cheers. Remember (talk) 14:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Heads up

As someone who has used Wikipedia for class projects, I thought you might be interested in commenting on this, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Your essay

I have just read User:Awadewit/TeachingEssay. Bravo! Very very interesting!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 07:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Students Adding to Articles

I see that you've tagged a few articles as autobiographical. Is it all right for students to start or add to articles of teachers who they do not know personally outside of class? It seems strange that publishers/editors of magazines may create and make changes to their own articles and students cannot write about teachers. If it's not all right then I have no problem with taking any articles or edits of this sort down. Thank you for your attention to this. Fantasyliterary (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I feel that there is a conflict of interest (see WP:COI) both with editors of magazines contributing to articles about their publications, and with students writing about their teachers. Of course, that conflict of interest could go both ways in the latter case: disgruntled students may vandalize or introduce malicious information to the articles about teachers they don't like. But I'm equally concerned about other students (or RAs) adding information to such articles. It's not that I think students can't write about their teachers; but I do think that there are a number of issues to watch out for, and personally I wouldn't recommend it in most cases. --22:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Bunch of stubs, that have been added to the Translate from spanish category

Hey, since you are knowledgable about these sorts of things (and might have students that are interested in improving some of them), we have been getting a lot of Latin American novel stubs, such as A veinte años, Luz, which some user has been mass producing by translating a line or two from the Spanish Language versions. If you have some students working on this kind of stuff, making those articles at least prove notability in English would be a nice place to start for students to get familiar with Wikipedia! (and would be invaluable in identifying which of these should actually be deleted),Sadads (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Congrats to you and your students

Thanks to you and your students for creating such a great reference work on Mario Vargas Llosa in 2008! I'm sure that everyone who went to the page after reading about the Noble Prize that was awarded to him was very appreciative. NW (Talk) 01:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree! Thank you for your hard work. It is very much appreciated. Remember (talk) 16:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Wassup?

You are my hero for having shown so spectacularly that students can learn well at the same time as they provide valuable material to the public, by contributing to Wikipedia. Recently you have edited conspicuously scarcely in Wikipedia. I would be very interested in reading something about your current relation to Wikipedia in your presentation. --Ettrig (talk) 07:18, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Magical Realism Reconsidered is no longer an upcoming project. Maybe time for an update of your user page and the project page. (U R still my hero.) --Ettrig (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

"Shameless" plug

As a heads up, I complimentarily "name dropped" you in my recent RFA --> answer (#3). I hope you don’t mind :o)    Redthoreau -- (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproyectos universitarios

Hola Jon; hablé contigo ayer en el Drumbeat. Te dejo unos enlaces a los Wikiproyectos que estoy impulsando con estudiantes de la UOC:

• w:ca:Viquiprojecte:ILV (2º semestre 2009-10; Viquipèdia en catalán)
• w:es:Wikiproyecto:Imagen y Lenguaje Visual (2º semestre 2009-10; Wikipedia en español)
• w:ca:Viquiprojecte:Tipografia (actualmente, 1er semestre 2010-11; Viquipèdia en catalán)

Como te comenté llevo unos años trabajando con wikis en educación pero tu experiencia me animó a hacerlo en Wikipedia. Cuando leí tu artículo estaba yo escribiendo sobre una experiencia previa de 3 semestres usando un Mediawiki para una actividad colectiva con los estudiantes. Aquí está ese texto:

• GRF Wiki: trabajo colectivo, colaboración y evaluación

Que antes había presentado en un simposio. Aquí está la proyección y el registro en audio de esa presentación (por si prefieres escuchar a leer):

• GRF wiki UOC en Educación Expandida (slideshare slidecast; Sevilla Marzo 2009).

Saludos! --Dvdgmz (talk) 16:22, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Hola de nuevo. Sólo decirte que una estudiante ha publicado un artículo sobre su experiencia en uno de los Wikiproyectos que te comenté. Está aquí: Paquita Ribas "Mi grano de arena en Viquipèdia". Saludos --Dvdgmz (talk) 15:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Isabel Allende

Given her famous translations many may think Isabel Allende writes in English esp with the opening you reverted back to. You revert is simply incomprehensible, dont assume everyone knows as much as you on the subject. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Huh? I don't understand this. What "famous translations" do you mean? If you mean that her books are well-known in translation, then the same would go for many other authors (García Márquez, Tolstoy, Coelho, Mann...). If you are suggesting that she herself is a translator, then this is news to me. My only assumption is that people might know that the first language of most Chileans is Spanish. Where one might want to signal the language is in cases where people write in languages other than that of the majority of their fellow-citizens, or in a language that is not their birth language: Conrad and Nabokov would be obvious examples. But to put "Spanish-language" in this case opens up a minefield. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Moreover, two sentences later we have the quotation that calls her "the world’s most widely read Spanish-language author." Really, your revision was completely superfluous as well as unhelpful. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

To authors of past Signpost article on plagiarism

Please see Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Suggestion; momentum seems to have stalled at WT:FAC. My idea is to create a page that would be useful across all content review processes, and where we would have a centralized registry so we don't have to clutter each nomination with the same questions to repeat nominators. I'm not sure how we would name the page, so I've put it in my userspace for now-- feel free to edit. See also User:MLauba/Signpost definitions, an upcoming Signpost article. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Core encyclopedia stuff....

Jbmurray, I figure you're pretty busy off-wiki these days but figured you may be interested in offering some opinion on the following link (I hope it is clear), given your background in teaching.

The wikicup is an annual competitition which rewards audited content such as DYKs, GAs and FAs (this obviously favours the improvement of alot of esoteric and precise material, which is fine in and of itself, but made me curious whether we could look at ways of promoting the improvement of core encyclopedia content over trivia with the wikicup next year

Thus, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Okay_-_bombs_away, where I have proposed bonus multipliers for subjects related to core content. The trick is trying to come up with a category that can be checked quickly (yes/no) to see if the article qualifies...and one that can't be gamed. I thought you may be intrigued at the proposal and comment on the categories proposed thus far. (of course you may think the whole idea's silly...but I am mindful this is an active and fun competition for many so is at least a good place to start from rather than creat something from scratch) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

PS: Let me know if this makes no sense to you...Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)