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Ways to improve Pukkoya Tangal

Hello, JaavedAli,

Thanks for creating Pukkoya Tangal! I edit here too, under the username Willbb234 and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:-

Excessive use of weasel words.

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Willbb234 (talk) 07:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234: If you can point out the words, I can fix them one by one - JaavedAli (talk) 09:03, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Of course! Here they are: (see WP:WEASEL)

• 'He was widely believed to posses'
• 'The tangal is also said to be'
• 'revered Indian' and 'was revered for his saintly qualities'

Also, references shouldn't be included in the header - there is one in the Pukkoya family (Panakkad) section.

I hope that helps, Willbb234 (talk) 09:42, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Something else: the use of 'saintly qualities' violates WP:NPOV see MOS:ISLAMHON#Quran for an example. I will probably remove this phrase unless there is adequate reason not to. Willbb234 (talk) 09:50, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234:

Indian Ocean Shāfiʿī Muslim leaders

The person is a community leader of a medieval Shāfiʿī community of Muslims in south India. It is very common among Indian Ocean Shāfiʿī Muslim leaders to have "saintly qualities". Please check,

• Prange, Sebastian R. Monsoon Islam: Trade and Faith on the Medieval Malabar Coast. Cambridge University Press, 2018

You can check the following books for more details

• Miller, Roland E., Mappila Muslim Culture. New York, State University of New York Press, 2015.
• Miller, Roland. E., "Mappila" in "The Encyclopedia of Islam". Volume VI. E. J. Brill, Leiden. 1987 pp. 460.

Explanations

• 'He was widely believed to posses'
  • The person was widely believed to posses the [X, Y, Z] qualities by [believed by the majority members of this particular community]
• 'The tangal is also said to be'
  • This is a claim by the community about this person
• 'revered Indian' and 'was revered for his saintly qualities'
  • The person was revered by the community
  • The person had "saintly qualities" [claimed by the community]
• 'saintly qualities' - the person had "saintly qualities" [claimed by the community]

JaavedAli (talk) 07:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234:

You can add the phrase "Most members of [this community] believe" wherever you want in the article.

JaavedAli (talk) 07:07, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

What community? I can't view the books because I don't have them and there is only limited viewing on google books. Willbb234 (talk) 11:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234:

Community - Mappila

You can buy the books here

• State University of New York Press
• Cambridge University Press
• E. J. Brill, Leiden

JaavedAli (talk) 10:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not going to buy the book. Instead. can you quote some passages from the book showing the significance of Pukkoya Tangal to the Mappila Community? Willbb234 (talk) 10:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)