User talk:Gilabrand/Archive 7

Umm Tuba

What would you think of moving Umm Tuba to Umm Tuba/Netofa, since the identity of Umm Tuba as the Biblical town of Netofa is established.Historicist (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I think Arab editors would go haywire. The information about Netofa belongs in a history section, and I have organized the material accordingly. To balance the article, more info on Umm Tuba today needs to be added.--Gilabrand (talk) 07:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Nazi, Swastika References Being Purged from Syrian Social Nationalist Party

Would you mind having a look at the problem of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party's Nazi history and swastika flag being systematically deleted/vandalized? This removes an important aspect of neutrality from the article. References from many reliable sources are provided. See its talk page. The edits are being done by users with IP addresses from very similar domains. Thanks, Histopher Critchens (talk) 20:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Chill

There was an ongoing dispute regarding the title in the talk section. You unilaterally changed the title without a consensus, so my revert was justified. I wasn't trying to be "snooty." Wikifan12345 (talk) 06:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

discuss disputed edits

please do on the talk page, there is an ongoing AfD and you are unilaterally trying to change the scope of the article. please provide justification. Nableezy (talk) 20:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Sholom Schwadron

Re your recent edits: You should know that it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. Yoninah (talk) 16:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't get the connection.--Gilabrand (talk) 20:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Edits to Jaffa–Jerusalem railway

Hi Gilabrand! Please explain why you changed some sourced material in the article (for example, that there was an earlier railway track in Iran), and a lot of other unsourced but valid material, from the article Jaffa–Jerusalem railway. You also made a number of edits that clearly contradict WP:MOS and other related policies and guidelines (e.g. putting External links under references, even though they are not references for the article, and removing the hatnote). I will try to find sources for the unsourced text as soon as possible, but plan to revert most if not all of your edits. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The article is problematic. It is supposedly about the historic railway and then veers off into the train of today which is not known as the "Jaffa Jerusalem railway." There is no reason for that Iran comparison to be in the lead (and it was not "Iran" at the time either, but Persia). I don't know what MOS is, but the article is definitely more comprehensible and encyclopedic now. It was a mess. If your interest is in improving articles, I would think carefully before you revert. You have now restored the article to gibberish with many spelling mistakes. Best, Gila--Gilabrand (talk) 03:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Gilabrand, please don't edit-war and decide for yourself what section to keep and what to delete. The article is about both the historical line, and the modern line using the same route. You have removed a lot of valuable information, much of it sourced, and have introduced a number of falsehoods into the article (indeed, if you have the book by Paul Cotterell, you will notice that it does not say that it was the first railway in the Middle East, but the first except a short section in Iran). Correcting spelling and grammar mistakes, if you find any, is a noble and productive deed, but removing long paragraphs because WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not. You have also completely ruined the article as far as WP:MOS goes, and it will take ages just to fix the mess you have created, and this is precisely why I decided to blanket-revert (because you edited all sections, it's impossible to undo particular edits). If you don't have time to read WP:MOS and its derivatives, including WP:DASH, perhaps it is best if you suspend your activities on Wikipedia until you have the time to read them. I am now in the process of looking for more sources for the article, and will again revert your edits and start from there once I find sources to back up the statements that were not sourced. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

You are the one who has introduced unsourced information - read the rules. Unsourced information can be deleted at any time. There are other sources that I have brought - Ruth Kark, for example, who is an expert in the period - and your blanket reverts are thus erasing reliably sourced information - so think before you act. Blanket reversion is unacceptable. Wikipedia is not your private project, and nobody has to wait around until YOU find sources. Technical issues like it being hard for you to delete only what you want because you have no time is not a reason for blanket reversion. Oh, and the Kark book & Jerusalem Post article both state that the railway was the first in the Middle East. --Gilabrand (talk) 04:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

First of all, please remember to remain civil and assume good faith. Edit summaries such as this are not likely to contribute to a constructive and collaborative effort. Also, WP:BRD suggests you should seek consensus before reverting back. I would also suggest making gradual, section-by-section edits, so that the dispute is easier to outline.

If two sources disagree on whether or not it was actually the first railroad in the Middle East, there's no reason why both opinions should not be reflected in the article. The dispute on whether or not information regarding the current line should be included can also be resolved by discussion, and Unhockey is a very reasonable editor. As is often the case, perhaps working on a draft may help. Again, everybody should try and remain calm and in a constructive state of mind. Cheers, Nudve (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I agree about the edit summary. I shouldn't have written that. It was just so maddening to have all my work gone in the blink of an eye. But I don't think I need anyone's permission to edit articles on Wikipedia that are aimed at improving a confusing article in which everything has been thrown in but the kitchen sink.--Gilabrand (talk) 06:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Gilabrand, please at least try to format your edits properly, such as consolidating refs and using the citation templates, adding proper spacing and dashes, adding proper punctuation, etc. It is improper to expect other editors (or bots) to do this for you, and editors who are in dispute with you should not be forced to do the maintenance work in addition to the editorial work. Proper formatting is easy to do for the original editor/author, but very time-consuming for subsequent editors. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Gilabrand! I certainly agree that we are on the same side and can, and should, work together. I was extremely discouraged by your earlier edits (together with the edit summaries), which removed a lot of content that took me a while to write (most of the unsourced content was translated from HeWiki, which also took a lot of time and effort), and this is the reason for my comments. I definitely want to work together with you and convert the article (and others) into something better for the benefit of all. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. If you are actually interested in this railway, I can recommend watching a series of 4 YouTube videos I uploaded last year, containing a lecture by Prof. Tony Travis about the railway. Mr. Travis is one of the foremost railway enthusiasts in Israel (along with Chen Melling), an expert on its history, and recently wrote a book called On Chariots with Horses of Fire and Iron (you linked to the review by Sybil Ehrlich, whom I also know and who is present in the room in those videos). Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Tomato

I suggest you actually read the references. The two Google books ones, at least, completely and fully support what is being said in the article. Please do not revert again unless you can actually prove that those references do not support the text. //roux   10:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Artuf

Hi Gliabrand, I was just wondering if you have a source for this edit. Let me know when you get a chance. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 04:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem Light Rail

Please have a look seeing you were involved in the article. a POV issue involving a user meteormaker. 216.165.95.70 (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

J & J

Hi Gilabrand! Please stop undermining this name because you don't like it. It is not my fault that you do not have literature on the Jaffa–Jerusalem railway, and can actually send you some if you are interested. You will notice that the late Paul Cotterell, probably the #1 railways expert in Israel, uses this name extensively. It can also be seen on the coach on the main picture on the page, and Anthony Travis notes that J. J. or J & J were used on locomotives, coaches and even the actual rails on the original railway. --Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with "not liking it" or the number of books in one's home library. The use of this abbreviation - and all statements in encyclopedic articles - need a reference. I have edited and translated several academic books and articles on the infrastructure of Mandatory Palestine and have never come across this abbreviation. If you have a reference, please cite it.--Gilabrand (talk) 04:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

You don't need someone to say 'Jaffa-Jerusalem railway is abbreviated to J&J' on order to write 'sometimes abbreviated to J&J'. What you do need is a series of sources confirming that it has indeed been called J&J by notable figures. Again, Paul Cotterell calls it J&J, and Anthony Travis notes that the abbreviation J.J. (essentially the same thing) was present on the coaches and even the rails themselves. I hate to be repeating this, but I will repeat it again if it is not enough for you. What exactly are you looking for? Just because you don't know something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

And I will repeat yet again that what you need is an inline citation, not your observations from looking at a photo. Don't tell ME that Cotterell uses it - add a reference to the article. Sorry, but I don't get what the problem is. You've been on Wikipedia long enough to know that yourself. True, Hebrew Wikipedia is lax on this point, but the English Wikipedia has higher standards. And please note that it says JJ on the train car, not J&J. --Gilabrand (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

No, you don't need an inline citation for something like that, again, because there isn't a source saying that it is 'sometimes abbreviated to X'. It is just used in numerous sources, which is enough to make such an assertion. I can give them to you here:

1. Travis (2009), p. 35 – notes the usage of J.J. on the rails
2. This photograph, where "J.J" is used
3. HaRakevet Issue 6, p. 11 (and others) – by Paul Cotterell
4. Cotterell (1986), p. 7 (and others) – by Paul Cotterell

Again, I consider J.J. and J&J to be the same thing, and don't really care if it's changed to one or the other. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 11:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: I have noticed that you added a source, and have added the above to the article as well. However, this might work against the article on GAR, while I hope to start after finishing writing the content, and may have to be removed. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 11:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of images from Yom Ha'atzmaut

Hi Gilabrand. Regarding your removal of two images from the article Yom Ha'atzmaut, I think we need to take into consideration that as thumbnails they are alright. Also, their function there is to illustrate the event. Though the fireworks look "nice" I think more than this image is required to illustrate Yom Ha'atzmaut in Israel. Full disclosure: one of the images was a picture I took. The picture is taken as an action shot as myself and this group of girls are under attack by shaving cream and silly string, a minhag of Yom Ha'atzmaut in Israel; the picture, though perhaps not of the highest quality, illustrates the "festive chaos" with which Israelis celebrate the holiday. Therefore I wish to give you this heads up that I am about to replace these images on to the page, though perhaps move them around. If you still disagree please feel free to discuss either here or on my talkpage (though please give me a talkback for the former so I know to check). Thanks, Valley2city^‽ 07:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that more images are needed, but it is very hard to see any silly string or shaving cream in the photo you added. On my screen it just looks like a dark yellow-brown blur. The tank photo is also not up to par for an article of such importance. I am sure better ones can be found (or taken this Yom Haatzamut). And for the record, shaving cream and silly string are newfangled inventions (in the good old days, plastic hammers were all the rage, but maybe you are too young to remember that...LOL) --Gilabrand (talk) 07:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

People were definitely being beaten mercilessly by those plastic and rubber mallets on Ben Yehuda Street. The blur on the bottom left of the camera lens is shaving cream. If we can find better ones, we should replace, but until that point this is all we have. I'll take a look through my collection of other pictures as well. Best, Valley2city^‽ 17:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

colourinthemeaning

this user comes to every page of a neighborhood of jerusalem and changes the lead sentence. is there anything you can do to contribut from your past history. thank you. [1] 216.165.95.70 (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

This user goes around "editing" articles with a single purpose - to introduce his/her anti-Israel POV. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is a breeding grounds for "editors" with brains smaller than a pea (if they have one at all) If you figure out a way to get him/her blocked, I will give you a medal.--Gilabrand (talk) 11:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC).

Jerusalem Light Rail Sources

G'day, just wondering which particular source(s) dont specify what is said in the article Jerusalem Light Rail? Colourinthemeaning (talk) 13:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Formatting references

Hi Gilabrand! I have noticed that you have been adding many references to Wikipedia by copy&pasting them whenever they are needed. Please note that our referencing system allows using the same reference several times in an article by just adding it one time. Here is how it's done:

1. Firstly, you add a references, like so:

<ref>[http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=293864&contrassID=2&subContrassID=11&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y A Walk in the Haredi Street]</ref>

2. Secondly, you add a name to the reference, like so (you can pick any name):

<ref name="haaretz">[http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=293864&contrassID=2&subContrassID=11&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y A Walk in the Haredi Street]</ref>

3. Finally, you add any subsequent references in short form, referencing the original name, like so:

<ref name="haaretz" />

Doing this will require changing only one reference if a change is needed, and also reduces clutter from the references section and makes it easier to see where each ref is used.

Happy editing! —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Hat

Hi. I've reverted your edit on Hat. I agree that it sounds like it's from the Janet and John guide to hats, but it is sourced, and it is normally considered better practice to put a question on the talk page before chopping out a whole section like that. Elen of the Roads (talk) 18:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Noabaak (talk) 02:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, my name is Noa and I would like to ask your permission to use Sabbat dinner photographs for the upcoming book of New York Guide in Korea(with your name on credit, of course). Not being an expert on Wiki, I still do not know if this is the right way to do. Thanks.

Which photo did you mean? I can send you the full resolution photo if you let me know which one. Best, --Gilabrand (talk) 03:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Help, please

I'm new to this, but after a recent trip to Tel Aviv I decided to add some material about a group of artists I like. One of then is Ze'ev Raban. I see that you wrote about him on the Bikkur Cholim web page. I put up a photo of the doors. I prefer not to use my own name, so I decided to sign myself Z.Raban. Now someone is accusing me of being Ze'ev Raban and editing my own page. Raban has been dead for like, decades. Is it not allowed to write under the name of a dead artist whom one admires? I'll stop, if I'm violating some kind of rule, but at present I feel rather unjustly attacked.Z.Raban (talk) 19:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

You may find the discussion on my talk page. Wuhwuzdat (talk) 19:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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Zion Square refrigerator bombing

Nice to see incidents that pre-date Wikipedia getting pages. Kol hakavod.Historicist (talk) 22:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing and taking the time to write.--Gilabrand (talk) 03:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hat

Why did you edit my User page? --Cmaric (talk) 10:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Your comment on Talk:Za'atar

Hello,

While I can appreciate that dealing with trolls and miscreants is stressful, it's not cool to start throwing personal attacks around. If you're having trouble with someone, bring it up at the administrators' noticeboard for incidents or wikiquette alerts. I'm going to try and iron out this situation.

Thanks, — Hex (❝?!❞) 12:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You are right, but this so called editor has been going around leaving racist remarks on a variety of pages and everyone is bending over backwards to appease him/her. After calling a whole country "disgusting" I wonder where he/she gets off playing insulted by a little criticism.--Gilabrand (talk) 12:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

If you have issues with an editor's behavior, often the best thing to do first is to raise it at WP:WQA. — Hex (❝?!❞) 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Earle Martin, I find it insulting that you call me troll. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, trolls are cute. In the olden days, people used to collect them.--Gilabrand (talk) 13:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wine

Mah Shlomcha, Gilabrand??? I see you were instrumental in greatly expanding the article on the Golan Heights Winery. I have recently added a non-free, fair use, low resolution image of a bottle of their Chardonnay to the article. Israeli wine has really grown the past few years -- perhaps its time to add a section about Israeli wines to articles such as Chardonnay. Anyhow, just a thought... Kol Tov. --Nsaum75 (talk) 10:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Gila Almagor article

Am I missing something? Had the website released their text with a suitable license that I've missed? I looked at the website, and didn't see any indication of this - and the website does not cite wikipedia as a source of the information on their page.

Unless the website has released their text under a suitable license for use by Wikipedia, this is a copyright violation.

However, if you have information to the contrary, I'd appreciate it. I placed the {{copyvio}} in good faith, but if I was wrong to do so, I'd gladly take any information onboard. I wasn't trying to get the article deleted - I think that the article is needed, but with non-copyrighted text.

I look forward to hearing your rationale! Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

If the material is copied from a website, then the thing to do is add a reference to the website - not tag it with a giant box that wipes out the whole article. You'd think it was some grand work of literature that was being lifted or something. If anything, it's a couple of measly semi-literate sentences. I haven't checked, but I just thought the tag was an overreaction, that's all. --Gilabrand (talk) 13:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC) I've had a look and can't find this text in any of the mentioned websites. So what exactly is it a copy violation of? --Gilabrand (talk) 13:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The text wasn't from any of the mentioned websites. As I noted on the copyvio notice, the text is from this website -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Incidently, it wasn't just a sentence or two - it was (iirc) the entire article with the exception of a sentence or two. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for rewriting the article - it looks a lot better now! I'm not very good at rewriting articles - I can find references online (which is how I came across the article, as it was unreferenced), and one of the first checks I do is make sure that the article isn't just copying from a website wholesale! If it's just a section or two, I only blank out those sections with the copyvio. As I said before, I felt that she needed an article - there were enough mentions online - hence why I put the copyvio up rather than a request for deletion! Again, thanks for your help with this article. Happy editing! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

"Refs needed" advice

Hi,

I notice that you've been tagging articles as unreferenced, which is great!

However, may I suggest that instead of using {{unref}} you use {{unref|date=Month Year}} (e.g. {{unref|date=July 2009}}).

Lists are kept of unreferenced articles (i.e. those tagged with unref), and there is one list for each month, and one for all undated ones! I'm going through the undated ones, checking for references where possible - and flagging them with the current date if I can't find any!

The date on the unref is the current month/year, not when the article was created or last edited.

Oh by the way, the lower case d on date is important... if it has an uppercase D, the date isn't included (as I found out!)

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.--Gilabrand (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Montefiore Windmill

Hi, I've reverted your deletion of "Jaffa Gate Mill" and reinstated Corn mill. The mill was identified as being the Jaffa Gate Mill when I questioned this with the article's creator. The mill is a corn mill because it ground corn (wheat). Flour is what is produced. Mjroots (talk) 11:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Reference provided for alternate name as requested. Mjroots (talk) 11:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It was not a corn mill. Corn is not the same as wheat. It was not the Jaffa Gate Mill. The person who "created" the article is neither a scholar nor an expert.--Gilabrand (talk) 11:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe User:Epson291 isn't a scholar or an expert, but that doesn't stop him/her from creating articles - "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit". I came across this article shortly after it had been created and reading the description and the year of construction given, I thought that it may have been the mill described by Coles Finch (a mill expert of his time) as the Jaffa Gate Mill. I asked Epson291 about this and he confirmed it was the same mill. I even pointed you to the confirmation in this edit summary. I provided you with a reference for the alternative name when you requested it, and you removed it yet again. I'm not willing to edit war over this, and have raised the issue at WP:ANI for others to look over this issue. Mjroots (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I am amazed at your overreaction. Anyone can create articles, but not everyone is an authority on the information cited there. Your "alternative" name appears where it should, as part of the anecdotal data provided by Finch. It is not an "official" name that belongs in the lead. This article was very poorly written, containing false information and insufficient references. I have improved it. I don't know what your problem is.--Gilabrand (talk) 12:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion also opened on the article talk page. Mjroots (talk) 12:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:EL

About this edit of your, External links shouldn't include random journalistic opinion pieces (which become out-of-date in a few months). In fact, most of them have already becom out-of-date. Alefbe (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

If you find something useful in those links, cite them as a source, not external link. Alefbe (talk) 14:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ma'ale Adumim

Hi Gilabrand! Thank you for undoing POV editing in the article Ma'ale Adumim. FYI, we are having a very similar (and relevant) discussion on Talk:Modi'in Illit. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I noted that you've reverted sourced text that I've added to the Ma'ale Adumim page. Please see WP:REVERT for guidelines on when reverting is appropriate ("revert a good faith edit only as a last resort"), and also note that edit-warring is prohibited. You can see discussion on the talk page, and also on the Modi'in Illit talk page and contribute to those discussions if you feel you have new points to make. --Dailycare (talk) 11:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Misconduct on Geert Wilders page

You shoul not post an nearly complete political speech on a Wikipedia page. Someone with so many awards should know this. NeoRetro (talk) 10:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually it are not just some selected portions of a speech. Wikipedia does allow some quotations but no full outtakes of political speeches. This is not a stage. It is absolutely nothing personal (I dont even understand why you would think that). You did not post it using any quotation rules, it was way too long for a quotation and way too long in comparison to the rest of the page. It could also be understood as propaganda to post political messages on Wikipedia, especially in this manner. Please keep this in mind. NeoRetro (talk) 15:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Help needed

Greetings, Gila. Could you look at Israeli cuisine? I can't decide whether what is presently happening there is through vandalism or incompetence or something else, but it looks severely damaging. I know you have done much work in building the article. Would appreciate your advice or direct intervention. Thanks! Hertz1888 (talk) 04:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Greetings!. The user that edited Israeli cuisine has been editing a number of other food-related articles too. Some of the edits could be considered POV by members of the Wiki community, so its worth us all keeping an eye on them. --Nsaum75 (talk) 06:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

While we're at it, 24.36.128.200, who appears to be the same person, also bears watching. Best regards. Hertz1888 (talk) 14:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Playing with words in The Band's Visit

I have re-phrased your last edit into "For her role in the movie critics described, Ronit Elkabetz, a French actress born in Beersheba to religious For her role in the movie critics described, Ronit Elkabetz, a French actress born in Beersheba to religious Moroccan Jewish family, as "wonderful...as a kind-hearted lonely heart refusing to wilt in her desert town". This exactly was the critics appraised her for her performance in the movie. In addition, a Wiki reader would have a curiousity info on "two words" bio e.g. being born in Beersheba. Wiki needs our valuable and resposible edits. So, I also would suggest you to concentrate on making that kind of improvements.--Jim Fitzgerald (talk) 18:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Moshiko

Hi, Gila. Your edit of 10:24, 3 June 2009 to Jewish_dance#Yemenite_dance added a ref to a bio of Moshiko. I've been unclear on which part of that paragraph is supported by that ref. Did you perhaps intend to add a comment about the role of Moshiko &/or others in popularizing Yemenite dance--or the timing of its popularity--in Israeli folk dancing? --Rich Janis (talk) 11:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Rich Janis. I didn't add any references to Moshiko. All I did was copyedit and reorganize the material that was there. I didn't check to see if the references pan out, either. The article was in such bad shape, I just concentrated on a bit of copyediting. If you can add sourced content, that would be great.--Gilabrand (talk) 11:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Will do, if I think of something to put there. Still, the edit history, per my first link above, says it's your "add ref" edit--in case seeing it might jog your recall of its purpose. Thanks, --Rich Janis (talk) 12:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Givat Shaul

Hi Gila. Why are you disputing the facts in the Givat Shaul article? I've been living here for 4 years. Have you ever been here at all? To check whether the northern section is chareidi, take a look at Rechov Givat Shaul. Take a look at the people walking on the streets (well, sidewalks) and at the synagogues here: Pressburg, Zupnik, Beer Avraham, Biala, Chibat Tzion, Breslov, Chabad, Nachalat Yitzchak, the Moroccan synagogue next to the Beis Yaakov, and many others close by: Babad, Prushim, Ohel Yonathan. Then take a look at the southern part of the neighborhood, the area where Bank Beinleumi is (opposite Angels), roughly the area of Rechov Natronai Gaon, Shraria Gaon, HaIlui, Ben Tzion, Degel Reuven, Rav Reines.... these are all completely Dati Leumi areas, with Merkaz HaRav being the top yeshiva there, as well as Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's shul. The simple fact is that Rechov Givat Shaul, Rechov Ktav Sofer, Rechov Aharon Kotler, Rechov Azriel, are 99% Chareidi (there are a *few* kippah srugah-wearers, but no more than 1%), while areas such as Rechov HaIlui and Natronai Gaon are 95% Dati Leumi (with 5% Dati Leumi). Now, what is your purpose in disputing this? Why are you doubting this? I cannot see why there should be any disagreement about such a simple fact. Would you object to calling Kibbutz Degania an "almost exclusively secular" place, without 'reliable sources'? IMHO, the lack of 'reliable sources' in and of itself not a reason to delete undisputed facts - as long as they are undisputed. Are you actually disputing what is written in the article? On what grounds? --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 13:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Clearly you lack an understanding of what Wikipedia is all about. It's not a place to deposit your personal research findings. I have no doubt that some of what you say is correct, but yes, all statements must be backed up, even if you think it's self-evident. If you wrote that Degania was secular without a reference, I would delete that, too. Are you a statistician? What gives you the authority to say something is 5% or 98% or 32%??? Who are you to say there are a "few" wearers of this or that kind of kippah? Begadol, I am not disputing your conclusions, but I am disputing the fact that you are inserting personal observations into an encyclopedia article and parading them as incontestable fact. --Gilabrand (talk) 13:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I have been here a lot longer than you have, and I know exactly what Wikipedia is about. You don't have to give me any lessons. Now, to illustrate my point, see this. Precisely according to your guidelines. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 14:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Payot

Gila, I am unclear as to why you reverted changes on the Payot pages without reading or at least engaging in the discussion page regarding the spelling of the entry. If you have an opinion on the subject, please share it. MeirSimcha 18:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meirsimcha (talk • contribs)

This subject was discussed long ago. Payot is a Hebrew word. "Peyos" is the Yiddish pronunciation, derived from the Hebrew. Alternative spellings and pronunciations have been provided in the lead. I have been editing this article for years now, so don't tell me I haven't read the discussion. If anyone hasn't read it, it appears to be you.--Gilabrand (talk) 18:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, I don't see a need to be nasty about it, I don't feel like my question to you was posed in a hostile way and I see no reason to be uncivil in reply. I have read the full discussion (I don't know what indicates to you that I haven't) and requested talk on the discussion page. In light of your years of editing this page, I don't think I need to remind you that Wikipedia in general and this page in particular belongs to no one. Secondly, Peyos is not a Yiddish pronunciation by any stretch of the imagination, the Yiddish pronunciation is peyes or payes (depending on dialect). Peyos is a Hebrew word as pronounced in what scholar Benjamin Harshav has termed idealized Ashkenazi Hebrew. Payot is an attempt at a romanization of the Modern Israeli Hebrew pronunciation -- although it seems strange that the romanization schemes for Hebrew in this one case would reflect a tsere-yud as ay. See for example other English language pages that have this combination Betar/Beitar or Zeire. I suggest a change for consistency and bias-free accuracy.

Since this is an article in the English wikipedia, this article should reflect the word as it is said and written most frequently in English and not reflective of an Israeli Hebrew cultural bias that has little effect on the majority English pronunciation or use in English literature. MeirSimcha 20:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meirsimcha (talk • contribs)

Gershom Schocken

Thought you may be interested in helping expand this - I've nominated it for a DYK. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Number 57. I will have a look at it when I get a chance. So what is the factoid you are pushing?--Gilabrand (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just that he was editor for over 50 years. DYK seems to be much less interesting these days. пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

place articles

Would you be interested in getting the ball rolling on setting a standard for articles about places? At least with regards to IP related articles? You seem to know your way around here and I think this is a very important subject. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice of you to offer, Nice Guy. If I had all the time in the world, maybe I would, but I play around on Wikipedia when I should be doing my job... If there is a specific article you need help with, let me know, but "setting standards" means getting into big fights. I can tell you, there are some mighty nasty characters out there in cyberspace. For the moment, I'm not sure I'm up to it.--Gilabrand (talk) 17:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Would you have anyone else in mind who might be willing to pick it up? I'd do it myself but I don't know all the ins and outs of this place yet, and wouldn't want to blow the whole thing because some wikilawyer knew the rules better than me.

Your point about nasty characters is well taken. The formula is anonymity + audience = assholes. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Names that come to mind are Okedem, YnHockey and Historicist, who have all done good work.--Gilabrand (talk) 18:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Good initiative. IMO, geography articles should have one template/format. --Shuki (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment on content, not contributors

• And I ain't your honey, honey. Tiamut^talk 11:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Why not, honeybunch. Honey is good.--Gilabrand (talk) 12:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

One day, you will realize how wrong it is for you to be so alternately patronizing and vicious toward people like me. Until then, happy editing. Tiamut^talk 12:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

So let's be friends.--Gilabrand (talk) 13:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

What do you think she meant by "people like me"? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Bnei Akiva

I hadn't bothered to notice Piz's deletion, but now that you point it out, I don't mind either. Too much OR and NN info. --Shuki (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Piz deleted all that to "make a point," after I deleted his unsourced OR in a different article. He went around chopping up every article he could find that I had ever edited. I take no responsibility for Bnei Akiva, by the way. I just cleaned up some of the mess.--Gilabrand (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

You and Korny O'Near are also edit warring, so I have protected the article; if edit warring continues, all three of you might get blocked.

Also, considering that you have had other civility issues (above), I should point out that messages like these [2][3] are not going to do you any favors. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

References

Hi Gila. Following our earlier discussion on this subject on my discussion page, please see the exchange of correspondence, also on my discussion page, under the caption "Avigur". Davshul (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Any advice?

Hi Gilabrand!

I have been editing White City (Tel Aviv) the last few days, mostly adding inline references, and noticed you've done some editing on that page. I was wondering if you have any advice on how to expand and improve the article. By the way, good decision here [4] I saw that and was going to revert it too. Shana Tova, DVD 20:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I see you've been working on White City and it is much improved. I upgraded it today to C class. It still needs more references. If you could fix the red links, that would be nice. I'll look at it more carefully when I get a chance. Shana Tova to you, too.--Gilabrand (talk) 20:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

North District

Basically I moved it back because your original change was incomplete and had the effect of causing quite a few problems - e.g. changing the category on the template made every article point at a non-existent category. Also, as far as I'm aware, "North" is the correct translation as it is known as מחוז הצפון, not מחוז הצפוני. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if I messed things up, but the correct translation is Northern District/Southern District/Central District. This is the way Israel's mehozot are referred to in all English publications, and has been for decades.--Gilabrand (talk) 14:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Ahava

Hi,

Could you kindly explain the issue you have with the text on this page? Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 15:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

There is no "issue." All statements in Wikipedia articles must be based on sources. The sources must be neutral and free of obvious bias. Attempts to "educate" the reader with material that is not in the source will be deleted. Attempts to introduce POV material placed there with a clear political agenda will be deleted. --Gilabrand (talk) 15:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I know the policies you mention. Could you kindly identify the statements you feel were not supported by sources? As a hint, there is the tag you can use to pinpoint unsourced statements. --Dailycare (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, having received no reply I'll resume working on the article. Again, if you feel something isn't sourced, I invite you to use the tag to mark any such material. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 20:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Discussion at Israeli_theft_of_Arab_cuisine

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Israeli_theft_of_Arab_cuisine. Thank you. Nsaum75 (talk) 17:55, 25 September 2009 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})