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August 2019Edit

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POV pushing by fringe userEdit

Hello, I am writing you because I am concerned that a user that was already accused of POV pushing or using unreliable or eurocentric sources is vandalizing articles. You have already discussed with him and reverted hist edits. It is about Hunan201p. He is currently vandalizing articles related to Crntral Asia such as Hazaras and Turkmems and tries to make them “more West-Eurasian”. He deletes and changes small parts to fit his agenda. He also deletes large part and call it “POV reverts” but it seems itself POV. His edits: [1]. Could you please take a look on him? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4BC9:810:F670:9965:C772:3976:2103 (talk) 10:39, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm aware that Hunan201p is making some questionable edits, but there's not a lot I can do about it personally. I'd suggest contacting an administrator. Doug Weller is usually very helpful.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)


Hey Ermenrich,

I see you had some clashes with the above user. I've no position on the subject matter, but I do have experience with that editor in a related topic area. Just so you know what you're up against, see my comments here. It's basically POV, stonewalling and poor sourcing and style; if you challenge him hard enough he'll most likely ignore you, then move the fight to another article. François Robere (talk) 10:46, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

François Robere, yes, I had not realized what a hornet's nest I was walking into. Well, I'm only interested in Kuhn because he was an important medievalist, so once I've either given up on this article or had the POV dialed back, I hope not to have much to do with the topic.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry. If this is accepted the sourcing restrictions will probably apply to "your" articles as well (or at least to those parts that relate to Poland), so if a claim has been made about a source that you know is incorrect you can ask for WP:AC/DS. François Robere (talk) 12:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
François Robere, that seems like it would help. He's already accusing me of "falsifying" sources though, so it could bring more of a headache than good. It seems like there's always a way to game the system here, unfortunately.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Problems with "Mongoloid" article: geneticsEdit

Dear Ermenrich: I hope all is going well for you. I am writing with regards to some stuff I have found at the Mongoloid article which seems to be dubious, contradictory or falsified. I know you are probably a busy individual, who tires of the constant controversy surrounding ethnicity articles on Wikipedia, but since you have proven to be very vigilant about it, I thought I would point your attention to [particular section I made at the talk page]. It outlines one of numerous problems with that page regarding original research, dubious interpretation and probably deliberate falsification, possibly by racist or nationalist trolls.

Respectfully, Hunan201p (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Hunan201p:, Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I'll try to take a look as soon as I have some time.--Ermenrich (talk) 02:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


Hallo Ermenrich! Ich erlaube mir, auf zwei falsche Darstellungen im Artikel hinzuweisen.

1.“German forces killed more than 10,000 people [7] (Serbs, Jews, and Roma) who mostly were brought from Sajmište concentration camp near Belgrade”

Es wurde nicht ein einziger Serbe hingerichtet. So erklärt sich auch, dass das „monument with memorial house“ trotz israelischer Proteste von jugoslawischer Seite nicht weiter gepflegt wurde. Manoschek schreibt auf Seite 102: „Bei den drei Exekutionen wurden insgesamt ca. 600 Juden und Zigeuner erschossen.“ Er beruft sich dabei auf Quelle 214. Diese besagt: „Zumindest 101 Juden und Zigeuner wurden vom 734. IR der 704 ID erschossen (NOKW 1017). Das Ausheben der Gruben nimmt den größten Teil der Zeit in Anspruch, während das Erschießen selbst sehr schnell geht (100 Mann in 40 Minuten). Oberleutnant Walther schreibt in seinem Tätigkeitsbericht der 704. ID: „Am zweiten Tag machte sich schon bemerkbar, dass der eine oder andere die Nerven nicht besitzt, auf längere Zeit eine Erschießung durchzuführen.“. Eine jugoslawische Kommission untersuchte Anfang 1945 die Gegend um Jabuka nach Massengräbern, wurde aber nicht fündig. Die Anzahl von 10,000 Opfern ist mit keiner Quelle belegt. [[1]]

2.“After prison camps were dissolved, many of German population left Yugoslavia because of economic reasons.”

1948 wurden die “Internierungslager” in ganz Jugoslawien aufgelöst. Die Überlebenden mussten sich verpflichten, drei weitere Jahre einen Arbeitseinsatz ohne Lohn und ohne Wohnsitzwahl zu entrichten.

Mit besten Grüßen--Špajdelj (talk) 16:49, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Špajdelj:, danke fuer die Hinweise, ich werde das erste Problem im Artikel mit Hilfe von der Quelle korrigieren, die Sie gefunden haben. Haetten Sie eine Quelle fuer die zweite Behauptung? Ich kenne mich in diesem Thema eigentlich gar nicht aus.--Ermenrich (talk) 03:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

nach 1948Edit

„1948 wurden die Lager aufgelöst; die noch rund 80.000 überlebenden Deutschen wurden zwar entlassen, dann aber häufig zu meist dreijährigen Arbeitsverträgen bei vorgeschriebenen Arbeitgebern zwangsverpflichtet. Während dieser Zeit erhielten sie keine Personalausweise und durften ihren Wohnsitz nicht verlassen. Erst nach der Ableistung und vielfach erst nach Zahlung eines Kopfgeldes erhielten sie den Status „vollberechtigter Staatsbürger“. aus: Herbert Prokle: Der Weg der deutschen Minderheit Jugoslawiens nach Auflösung der Lager 1948. München 2008, ISBN 978-3-926276-77-3, S. 144, hier S. 14. Beste Grüße--Špajdelj (talk) 11:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

"Die Lager in Jugoslawien wurden Ende März 1948 aufgelöst und die Überlebenden zwangsweise in vertragliche Arbeitsverhältnisse außerhalb ihrer früheren Heimatorte eingewiesen." aus: Prof. Dieter Blumenwitz, „Rechtsgutachten über die Verbrechen an den Deutschen in Jugoslawien 1944 – 1948“, Sonderausgabe Juristische Studien, München 2002, ISBN 3-926276-48-7, S. 23 --Špajdelj (talk) 20:09, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

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Battle of MoscowEdit


there is a sentence recently added I may not interpret properly..."General von Pragwith fought in the South Western Tula outshines on 26th-31st October 1941."..what means here outshines? (or I may be wrong that the word in this form would not fit?) Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 18:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC))

@KIENGIR:, I'm guessing that "Tula outskirts" is meant, although I'm not certain. I would change it to "General von Pragwith fought in the southwestern outskirts of Tula". I'd suggest making the change and then seeing if anyone else can say whether this is correct or not.--Ermenrich (talk) 20:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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