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Hi Emt147. I was actually going to drop you a note about this same thing!

I believe that while using photos in this way may be within policy as it currently stands, I have strong philosophical and ethical objections to using other people's images in this way.

My ethical objection is that I believe that to simply take somebody else's work and use it without their consent does not show respect for their work or intellectual property. While it's true that no-one may ever complain about us using these images, I don't think that it should be a case of "how much can we get away with?"

My philosophical objection is that including images like this is not compatible with the goal of creating a truly free encyclopedia. If we are trying to create a resource that anyone should be free to reuse for any purpose, then including images that we cannot guarantee are free for reuse falls short of that goal. It's true that for many unique, vintage aircraft we will never have a photo that we can guarantee is "free" (or at least, not for 100 years or so when we can be sure that copyright has expired!), but we always will have the alternative of using a truly-free drawing, or a truly-free photograph of a model.

There are some cases where "fair use" is certainly justifiable - for example, an article about a famous painting or photograph really needs to include an image, otherwise the analysis in the article makes little sense. In the case of aircraft, however, we are really only illustrating the topic - we don't 100% need to have a picture (of course, it is always better to have one!)

I wanted to point this out to you, not to accuse you of doing something wrong (because, under policy, I don't think you are), but to ask you to think about these issues before continuing to upload photos like these. If, after considering the issue, you still have a clear conscience, then please go ahead, having made an informed choice. --Rlandmann (talk) 01:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all re:images; thanks for your understanding. Like I said, my reservations are mine alone and I certainly don't insist that anyone else share them :)

I try to be very conscientious about providing citations; which also means knowing when not to clutter the text with unnecessary in-line cites. The guideline states that we need to provide citations when adding direct quotes (obviously!), material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and information about living people. For material that doesn't meet one of these criteria (ie, practically everything in the description of an aircraft type), a general citation at the end of the article is all that the guideline calls for (point 1 in the guideline, followed by "A Wikipedia editor is free to use any of these methods... no method is preferred").

There's a current fashion to want to go far above and beyond this and to provide direct in-line citations for even the most uncontroversial pieces of information. I'm not sure where this has originated, but I wonder if it's a reaction to perceptions in the community with regard to "how do you know if what's in Wikipedia is really true?" (or worse! - to perceptions that there are perceptions in the community...) The unfortunate upshot of it all is that many of our articles now read like college term papers - I've certainly never seen footnoting like this in an encyclopedia, which is purportedly what we're writing!

Still, I'm grateful for your feedback and am interested in hearing other points of view. Would you agree that inline citations decrease the readability of article prose? And do you think that the current Wikipedia guidelines don't go far enough? --Rlandmann (talk) 08:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah OK - I didn't realise that you were referring to the quality grading system. I guess that illustrates one of my problems with the system as it stands; it not only asks for, but actively encourages practices that are not supported by policy or guidelines. Which then begs the question of what exactly is being measured by it? As for the Tupolev I-5 - my understanding is that this was a different design (bureau designation ANT-12) from Polikarpov's I-5; and that Grigorovich may also have developed an I-5 that was different again. Of course it's complicated by the NKVD... I'm checking references on this; please take a look as well and we'll see what we come up with! Cheers --Rlandmann (talk) 21:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

After taking a closer look, I agree with your reading of the I-5 story; I think that the English-language sources that suggest a difference (including, no less, the RAF Museum Thesaurus!) have probably been shaped by what was available pre-Glastnost. Many thanks for the correction!

On that subject, I also want to thank you for the "reality check" regarding citations. When I re-read my earlier response to you, it made me feel curmudgeonly. I've been hanging on to an old way of doing things, while Wikipedia has been moving in a different direction. That this trend isn't (yet) reflected in policy shouldn't really be relevant, since in a collaborative project like this, good policy should codify what's happening from the ground up and therefore will always necessarily lag what's actually going on. I accept your trout gratefully ;) --Rlandmann (talk) 20:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

M1super90 (talk) 13:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC) I thought you might enjoy my father and I's discovery of one of the Ficon recon models this month. It's at the Chino Air Museum (the one at the east end of airport). http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/M1Super90/misc/DSCN2463.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/M1Super90/misc/DSCN2462.jpg http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/M1Super90/misc/DSCN2465.jpg

Obscure Soviet gliders

Hi again!

I'm currently gathering material to write up a number of aircraft by Turkish manufacturers THK and MKEK. Some of these were (licenced?) copies of old Soviet glider designs, specifically the Antonov US-4 and PS-2, and the Sheremetev Sh-5. I've been able to scrape together a little on the US-4 (aka A-2), but the other two remain a mystery so far. I was wondering whether you might have anything on these? --Rlandmann (talk) 00:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks anyway - it's appreciated! --Rlandmann (talk) 05:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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Interesting image issue

Check out the comment on the Talk:Allison J35 talk page. Let me know what you think! Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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1. What are your strengths on Wikipedia?
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Non-free rationale for File:SM S.73.jpg

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Non-free rationale for File:Short Scion Senior.jpg

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Military history coordinator election

The Military history WikiProject has started its 2012 project coordinator election process, where we will select a team of coordinators to organize the project over the coming year. If you would like to be considered as a candidate, please submit your nomination by 14 September. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact one of the current coordinators on their talk page. This message was delivered here because you are a member of the Military history WikiProject. – Military history coordinators (about the project • what coordinators do) 08:59, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Tupolev I-4.jpg)

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election

Greetings from WikiProject Military history! As a member of the project, you are invited to take part in our annual project coordinator election, which will determine our coordinators for the next twelve months. If you wish to cast a vote, please do so on the election page by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September! Kirill ^[talk] 17:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)