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List of corruption scandals in Romania
editHi, Eduardm, by reverting my changes you also removed content. And using boldface in the table is not supported by the Manual of Style (see here: MOS:BOLD). Please consult me before reverting the changes. Regards, Mentatus (talk) 13:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
I understand, I looked though the Manual of Style. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Regards, Eduardm
Romania - Religion statistics
editThere is no "misinterpretation" in my presentation of the statistics. We are dealing with flawed data -- there's a big flaw when 6.2% are a blank --, and there is more than one way to present it. There is nothing wrong with ignoring the "data unavailable" segment so long as it is noted they are being ignored.
I once searched for an explanation for the "data unavailable" phenomenon; it's not very easy to find, but apparently, these are people who live mostly abroad (Italy, Spain, etc.), come to Romania at least once a year, but were not there during the census and could not answer the census-taker personally.
You will not get very far in accusing me of a political or religious agenda, so let's abandon that line. I believe atheists should be counted because they explicitly declared as such. I also believe in partly disregarding the "data unavailable" because they distort the data that are available and present a false picture. For instance, it is simply false to say, as the lead now does, that "85% are native speakers of Romanian". Objectively speaking, 15% of Romanian citizens are not ethnic minorities; it's more like 11%. Thus, for now, I have at least restored the vaguer phrasing in the lead section, which anyway does not have to go into too many specifics. - Biruitorul Talk 23:41, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- The 85% number seemed too low to me, too. I just tried to make it consistent with the Languages section later in the article. Checking the source http://www.recensamantromania.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sR_TAB_9.xls it's a similar issue, more than 6% is "data unavailable". Wouldn't it make sense to exclude that slice, too? Adrian two (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Certainly: in my view, it should be excluded for ethnicity, religion and native language, provided we make a note of its exclusion. I mean, in 2002, when the "data unavailable" issue didn't exist, native speakers of Romanian were 91%. It may well have fallen to 90% by 2011, but it doesn't really help to say 85% when that clearly did not happen, we have a good explanation for that skewed number and an available fix (i.e., subtract the unavailables from the calculation). - Biruitorul Talk 04:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- You are both assuming that Romanian speakers must equal religious figures, furthermore you assume ethnic Romanians must equal Romanian speakers, when that is not true as I for example know ethnic Romanians whose mother language is Hungarian or Romani (and that was also claimed by many in the census re the Roma minority). Moreover, not all ethnic Romanians are orthodox. Many are Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, etc. You must bring facts to your conclusions, such as studies, etc, not based on personal assumptions on how you view Romania's demography. A statistician or an economist would definitely inform you that you cannot exclude the "unavailables". Those people do exist, and there are no conclusive facts that these people are overseas in Italy, etc. Subtracting the "unavailables" is by no means a fix, but in my opinion a "nationalistic" whitewash of an objective fact. You can't compare the stats to 2002. 10 years has passed and Romania has undergone a substantial demographic shift with millions in the diaspora. Similarily, many can argue that the missing 6.2% belongs to the Greek Catholics (since the church and the vatican claim 3.3% as opposed to the 0.75 in the census) or other underrepresented religions that were intentionally numbered down by the government (which was criticised internationally, such as by the US). But these are all assumptions, and you are both drawing assumptions on facts. That is an unacademic approach, and not the place for an Encyclopedia. The language in your arguments is based on personal opinion.- Eduardm Talk 06:16, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Your assumptions about my assumptions are definitely wrong. I do not think that Romanian speakers must equal religious figures, neither do I think that ethnic Romanians must equal Romanian speakers. Adrian two (talk) 12:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- You are both assuming that Romanian speakers must equal religious figures, furthermore you assume ethnic Romanians must equal Romanian speakers, when that is not true as I for example know ethnic Romanians whose mother language is Hungarian or Romani (and that was also claimed by many in the census re the Roma minority). Moreover, not all ethnic Romanians are orthodox. Many are Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, etc. You must bring facts to your conclusions, such as studies, etc, not based on personal assumptions on how you view Romania's demography. A statistician or an economist would definitely inform you that you cannot exclude the "unavailables". Those people do exist, and there are no conclusive facts that these people are overseas in Italy, etc. Subtracting the "unavailables" is by no means a fix, but in my opinion a "nationalistic" whitewash of an objective fact. You can't compare the stats to 2002. 10 years has passed and Romania has undergone a substantial demographic shift with millions in the diaspora. Similarily, many can argue that the missing 6.2% belongs to the Greek Catholics (since the church and the vatican claim 3.3% as opposed to the 0.75 in the census) or other underrepresented religions that were intentionally numbered down by the government (which was criticised internationally, such as by the US). But these are all assumptions, and you are both drawing assumptions on facts. That is an unacademic approach, and not the place for an Encyclopedia. The language in your arguments is based on personal opinion.- Eduardm Talk 06:16, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Certainly: in my view, it should be excluded for ethnicity, religion and native language, provided we make a note of its exclusion. I mean, in 2002, when the "data unavailable" issue didn't exist, native speakers of Romanian were 91%. It may well have fallen to 90% by 2011, but it doesn't really help to say 85% when that clearly did not happen, we have a good explanation for that skewed number and an available fix (i.e., subtract the unavailables from the calculation). - Biruitorul Talk 04:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello there. Could you please review this edit of yours: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blue_Air&diff=prev&oldid=720518266 ? The issue is that this phrase is incomplete: On 12 April 2013, the Blue Air's management that the airline was for sale. Maybe put back the "made public the fact" ? Thanks! --Vlad|-> 16:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
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