Dkace

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KKE

Hi. Can you create something "KKE and WWII" with the structure you suggested? Use your talk page of something to prepare and then we can present it in the KKE talk page. Your idea is good. The problems we have as you may noticed are two:

• Not many people are involved to the article
• It's difficult to reconstruct an article

I think you can help with the second part. I don't have much time for that.

Friendly, Magioladitis 22:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

I am working on it for a few days now. As I explained I will post it first on the talk page and then we can decide section by section its content. I will try to be as more "neutral" as I can - that's why we have to modify it later on talk page.

Don't think I have plenty of time my self. I asked also from a friend that works his PhD on Modern Greek History to assist. But it will be difficult if people like Rastapopoulos want to apply post-Civil War propaganda. Dkace 13:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I would like to welcome you aboard, and promise that I will do my best in keeping the KKE article balanced and free of "wooden words" :-) Rastapopoulos 14:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL!!! You do exactly the oposite ! If this is not wooden word what is it? I was hopping we can agree to a minimum presentation, but you seem to much biased. If I am mistaken then it is for you to prove I am wrong. Make your suggestions on the structure of the article ( KKE-WWII) and we can discuss further. Dkace 18:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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Ok, but I this is what I usally do If I haven't forgot to sign in. I always put the tiles and on the first days I was also adding DKAce manually. I haven't search if I can do the same to the changes in the article, but in history I always see my contribution signed. Dkace 12:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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File:Stalin3.jpgThis user feels stalinism and fascism are two sides of the same coinFile:Benito Mussolini 1.jpg

I made this after beeing inspired from our discussion on KKE. Joseph and Benito even had the same sense on fashion! I would like your comments :-) Rastapopoulos 09:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You know, you are not even remotely original!!! Check the uniforms of today's "democratic" Italian Army and the one of Moussolini. Are they different? Nope! I believe you lack background on military history of the past 150 years. Otherwise you wouldn't be so oblivious!

On the other hand, not trying to understand the substrate of Political systems such as Socialism and Capitalism you are doomed to make the same epidermic notations. If you are a bit educated you know how to avoid this silly path.Otherwise your opinion will be next to Benny, not Stalin's image. Dkace 10:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

As I am a guest in your discussion page I will try hard to remain polite :) My point is that Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler had a lot in common, primarily their rejection of pluralistic democracy and basic political freedoms. On the side, it is amusing to note that these totalitarian butchers all enjoyed dressing up and impersonating military boys, although none of them graduated from a military academy. I dont know where this obsession of tyrants to dress up like uniformed officers is rooted, maybe its a repressed S/M homoerotic thing...Aris Velouchiotis aka miserias by the way was pretty active in this sport, according to an article I read by Elias Petropoulos... έστιβε λαρύγγια, αλλά έσφιγγε και μπουλόνια, άμα λάχει, if you know what I mean :) Rastapopoulos 11:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Επί πλέον, δεν το γυρνάμε στα ελληνικά μιας και στο αγγλικο δεν νομίζω να ενδιαφέρει και πολλούς;Dkace 14:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Explain to yourself, why Che, or Fidel or any other personality of any people's revolution ( such as Stalin) were dressed in uniforms; They managed successfully to contact a revolution and seize power from old ruling class and their "military" trained officers and officials. Their is a line that distinguish dictators and tyrants such as Hitler, Mussolini, Purifoi, Karageorgivits, Chars, Pinosset, Papadopoulos, Metaxas or others, from leaders of people's revolution. People are fighting for their better future, and they "follow" politically these groups that they believe that they will contact the fight successfully -these are communist parties most of the time but also other marxist political formations. On the other hand, Capitalist political system is putting up these puppets such as Hitler et. al. in order to give a popular face to their power and prevent citizens from entering the lines of marxists; Did German Capital lost WWII? Nope! Did Japanese Capital lost WWII? Nope! Did Czech or Polish or Bulgarian industrialists lost WWII? BIG TIME! The story continued as we know, but before accusing a state as non-democratic, you have to explain what is democracy according to your standards. Then you can go on describing other people's political past for ever. But the base should be placed. In my opinion, your political views are not far from those of Hitler - even if you reject that- as you don't disagree with the political system he was serving, you just propose a more "light" path. Dkace 12:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but your ideology is much closer to Hitler's: they both favor a collectivist system where there is a strong centralized state that controls everything for the public good, at the expense of the individual and list freedom and dignity. I make no distinction between Peoples' Socialism and National Socialism. A free economy is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for freedom and human dignity. For example, both Nazi Germany and today's China are capitalistic economies but they both share a hatred for political freedoms and usethe political repression of a one-party system as a tool; one was fascist, the other is Marxist. In other words, από τον κώλο στο μουνί, δυό δάχτυλα και κάτι τι!!!. If you do not believe me, try accessing Wikipedia from Peking, or run a Google search on Tienanmen in Shanghai,or publish a blog in Habana or publish an opposition newspaper N. Korea.!! And please not tell me that China today is not Marxist. I am sick and tired of hearing the line that the 'Soviet Union' or 'Albania' were not communist but socialist because communism is an ideal that would take several years down the road. These are theological arguments, remind me of mylate grandmother who warned me on the δευτέρα παρουσία, and the midieval monks who debated about the gender of angels.

Political regimes without pluralism and freedom, but with a vague promise of democracy in the future, are a fraud, the alibi of twisted tyrants who dress up like soldiers, goose-step over their opponents, and decide who stays and who goes. By the way, did the members of KGB and the CP of thε USSR win or lose? Just take a look at who are ruling Russia today and who have the capital in their hands...Rastapopoulos 14:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Exactly that! Socialism is a State that the workers rule but if they don't use security "pins" such as democratic centralism in there political or economical life this will backfire! In Russia, in Czech republic, Poland, Bulgaria ets, the ruling class is the former Communist Party officials that managed to get there hands on the Social State. This is not the physical evolution of Socialism, this is the defeat of all the forms of People's Democracy. You favor these political forces as "the Democrats", "the Liberals" bla, bla, bla. There are the other side of the same coin - that is the political forces of Capitalist State. Your main problem is that you can't understand how people can control their own future ( or you don't want this to happen). By using idiot and old examples - perhaps you have written an essay on these during your school years on a school in England or elsewhere) you are trying to convince yourself for the validity of your perspective. Check your sources: Anti-communists, people that manipulated politics to serve the interests of foreign powers, political pons etc. You are not even using one of source of the other side to cover your perception of history. You think your political view is the "One and Only" erasing thousands of murdered people in Greece and elsewhere, that gave their life for a better future under the banners of Communism. You have no respect for history, that is why you are categorized as a fascist. So, to make the long story sort, you think that by equalizing China with Germany you get a same result: Ok, then what about Greece of 1955 with Germany of 1940? Communists were killed, murdered banned from any work, ended up to concentration camps - all under US guidance- same thing going on in US. And what about latin -America !!! Oh, boy if there is a story there to tell about "liberal" governments favoring oppression. By the way Cuba got rid of one of these and US since are accusing Cuba as an oppressing state!!! This is where 125 countries in the General Assembly of UN start laughing and gave Cuba an award on social state infrastructure.

So it is a matter of perspective. As a genuine capitalist supporter, the only fault for capitalism will be NAZI germany, never NAZI USA! Good luck! I will be in the next demo, preventing worst things to happen for my people! Dkace 07:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It is painful to see people presenting such arguments in the 21st century. Take a moment to contemplate on all the gory crimes your ideology has committed against humanity. Or, at least, take a minute of silence in memory the thousands of your Greek communist comrades killed by KKE in Greece, Bukles (in Vojvodina) and throughout the prisons and psychiatric facilities of eastern block militaristic regimes as Trotskyites, opportunists, agents, liquidationists, archeiomarxists, Titoists, morarchofascists, etc etc etc...too much blood on your Party's hands ... It is not enjoyable for me to further debate with you, I might as well debate with a Grey Wolf of a Christian fundamentalist...So long Rastapopoulos 16:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Leaving in a fictional world, it is indeed very painful to face reality. Go along with democratic allies such as Bush, Blair, Musaraf or whoever you choose. You will still lack the perspective of real world! Take care out there! Dkace 07:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Mid-war era

Yes I think it's much better now. Don't you think so? :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Not yet! It needs refining, more info and more-much more references.But we will make it look much better! D.Dkace (talk) 11:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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I never accused you of vandalism.

I never undid one of your edits so what are you talking about?--Megaman en m (talk) 14:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

This is the only edit I've made on that article [3]. I reverted Balkanfevers' edit back to yours.--Megaman en m (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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A little courtesy

Hello Dkace, I see that you are found of the history of the leftist organizations in Greece, therefore I decided to show you something that I haven't shown to nobody. I myself do not have any connections with Greek Macedonia, but in Bitola we have a lot of people that originated from Greek Macedonia. My mother's sister is married in the family of Naum Pejov (formal KKE member and member of NOF). When he refuged to SR Macedonia he brought a lot of materials with him including a lot of photographs. My aunt's husband has a lot of photos that were never published before both in Greece and in R.Macedonia. Because you are interested in Vafiadis and in Zahariadis I am sending you 2 photos of them. The photos are low resolution and with text, because I first want to publish them in a local newspaper. After I publish them, I will then upload them full resolution in Wikipedia (public domain with approval of my aunt's husband). So here are the two photos - (Vafijadis) and (Zahariadis). Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 22:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi there!

I can't understand the title you gave to your message to me. Did I offended you somehow?

I would like to explain the following: I am not fighting any war - in fact, i am trying to put as much effort on describing disputed historical facts as possible.

You can see that by following all my contributions. I have only "opened fire" against a far-rightist that was trying to POV the history of the CP in Greece. And there I stopped.

I appreciate your material, although biased - after all what is not biased today- but I woud appreciate if we work together on this.

My question for the picture was derived by the fact that I saw it in the book of Dimitris Penis that you indicated and there is no exact mention of the fighters apart from the Peiko as he writes). You could put everything in the pictures page...

So, you are peaking me for some days now regarding the "copy that states the number bla bla bla", despite the fact that i have already stated that I am trying to pin down for official archives ( that everybody can reach) such references.

i have done some research today and the outcome is far beyong any imagination ( so to speak) . I will send you a draft before I upload in order to refine it.

I still believe we can work together if we moderate our "propaganda" nature in the article.

D. Dkace (talk) 22:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Dear Dkace, nobody says that you are an "enemy". On the contrary, I am glad that I can have a normal discussion with you on this matters, and I am even more glad that we are interested in the same subject. The name of my message means "A little present", and I really do not understand why did you react like this, i simply wanted to surprise you with two rare unpublished images of Marko Vafijadis and Niko Zahariadis. I also have a lot of photos of ethnic Greek fighters as well as from ethnic Macedonians. I will upload them too. We can also share information and facts. I am glad that we can cooperate together. PS. As Zahariadis said: "The Slavic-Macedonian and Greek people can win only if they are united.Divided, they shell be defeated" (source: "Σαραντα χρονια του ΚΚΕ 1918-1958", Αθηνα, 1958. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I reacted with surprise, feeling that "A little courtesy" meant that i am not respecting your opinion or your work in wiki. I am glad that this is not the issue, and I am sorry for my reaction.

Regarding the photos: Do you have an original or a copy? Is it published in a book or you obtained it from a former DSE fighter? i am asking because, if it is a document and not a copy, you can also send it to the Committee working on the Archive of KKE - today the only group trying to find and save valuable info from that era. Of course it would be extremely helpful if these articles ( Democratic Army , Greek Civil War, KKE) reference these photos.Dkace (talk) 12:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the photos I sent you are originals, not copies. As I mentioned earlier I will first publish them for the first time in a local newspaper, and afterwards I will sent upload them in public domain on Wikipedia. But in the meanwhile I will send you a lot of photos of ordinary soldiers of the DSE. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 13:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the photos, I really appreciate it. I insist on sending a copy to the Committee that works on KKE's archive. If you decide to do so, I can send you the links to do that. The photos are great. Do we know the locations that they are taken as well as the year?Dkace (talk) 09:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DDR

Πήγα στα τελευταία της, το 1989 στο Βερολίνο. Ήμουν μικρός τότε, αλλά ήταν αξέχαστη εμπειρία. Ο Ψυχρός Πόλεμος στα τελευταία του... Cheers, Constantine ✍ 14:01, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Καθαρά τουρίστας. Μέναμε Δυτ. Γερμανία, και πήγαμε για περ. δέκα μέρες. Έχεις πάει κι εσύ φαντάζομαι... Πότε? Constantine ✍ 14:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Φαντάζομαι... Έχω γνωστούς που είχαν πάει ακόμα παλιότερα. Αυτές οι εκδρομές πρέπει να ήταν εξαιρετικές εμπειρίες, ειδικά σε αυτές τις ηλικίες... Αλλά έχοντας ζήσει την επανένωση, έχοντας δει την ΛΔΓ από κοντά μετά την πτώση, και μιλώντας με παιδιά που έρχονταν από την Ανατολή στο σχολείο, άλλο να πηγαίνεις επισκέπτης, άλλο να ζεις εκεί καθημερινά, ειδικά στα τέλη του 80 που η οικονομία είχε καταρρεύσει... Constantine ✍ 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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