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Breaking piped links

I have noticed that you have intentionally deleted piped links and linked them to redirects. I know MOS:NOPIPE and WP:NOPIPE, but neither indicates that you should break piped links if they already exist, only not to pipe to avoid redirects. Walter Görlitz (talk) 11:58, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not breaking links, just removing piping so that the existing redirects can work (and in many cases I'm also creating the necessary redirects). Undoing unwise piping, which goes against the recommendations in WP:NOPIPE, is a positive improvement. See WP:NOTBROKEN.

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Updates on New York Cosmos page

I want to say thanks for the little tweaks you did in the spelling of a few players that have accents on the names. However your updates to the location of Shuart Stadium is incorrect. I have been keeping the locations of the various stadiums in the actual towns/cities that they are located in. You linked the Stuart in the Township of Hempstead, rather than the town itself.

-tychu9

Hi tychu9 - I dont understand your comment about the stadium location. I've just reviewed the changes I made. Where the location was given as [[Hempstead, New York|Hempstead]], [[New York]], I consolidated those two links into the single link: [[Hempstead, New York]]. I didn't change any link to or from Hempstead (town) or (township) or (village). Those must already have been wrong before I touched the article. Colonies Chris (talk) 17:28, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello,

I realized you were consolidating the links after the fact. I know originally they were linked to Hempstead (village) a few years back. I guess over time when someone was formatting the Hempstead links they confused them. No hard feelings then. Question, (Since it seems you've been at this longer than I have been.) would the Hempstead link, continue to link to the same page back when it was originally created? It could be that I never noticed that it had been linking to the township, but I do remember correcting this problem before. So, unbeknownst to you, when you created a new link (with the same name) it forgot the address of the old one. Sorry if I seemed to rattle on there, I just want to better my wikipedia understanding. I think it was your edit also; but when I originally linked to Jacksonville Armada's stadium, the wiki page was "baseball grounds....". This season I noticed they went with the sponsor name and under that it says "redirected from "baseball grounds...". So from what I understand now, Wiki recognized the address was the same from the old link, but, if I were to create a brand new link using "baseball grounds...", Wiki wouldn't know what to link to, correct?

Hi tychu9

My change will not have affected anything. It's possible to change the name of an article, and then all links that went to the original article will automatically redirect to the new name - wihout needing any change to the source link. On 26 Oct 2012 the title of the article on the town was changed from from "Hempstead (town), New York" to "Hempstead, New York", so all links to the (town) would from then on redirect to the new title. This may explain the change you've seen. (Hempstead article history) Also, the multiple links to Hempstead in the Cosmos article are not consistent - some of them target "Hempstead, New York" and some "Hempstead (village), New York".

What seems to have happened with Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville is that someone unknowingly created a duplicate article named Community First Park, and later another editor came along and converted that article into a redirect to the longstanding article Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville. (Community First Park article history) Colonies Chris (talk) 22:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Linking to New York City in article about a neighborhood in New York City

In this edit, why shouldn't there be a link in the lead to New York City? Alansohn (talk) 14:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC) Hi Alansohn -

Two reasons:

1. New York City is an extremely well known city, so there's little likelihood that anyone who's interested in a very specific part of it would ever click that link; and it's a very large article with little if anything that's related to Willets Point
2. There are already links to the neighbourhood, Corona, Queens, and the borough, Queens, in the same paragraph; those are far more likely, and more useful, links for a reader to click on.

WP:OVERLINK has the agreed guidelines on when not to link. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Indeed it does, and per WP:OVERLINK, "A good question to ask yourself is whether reading the article you're about to link to would help someone understand the article you are linking from. Unless a term is particularly relevant to the context in the article, the following are not usually linked:" In an article about a neighborhood in New York City, a link to New York City would be appropriate to help the reader gain a greater appreciation of the bigger picture, especially for those readers who have no understanding of how Willets Point is related to Corona, Queens, let alone those entirely unfamiliar with Queens or the other four boroughs that make up the city. Alansohn (talk) 01:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

See my first sentence. Is it really likely that a reader wanting to know more about a very specific location, Willets Point, probably not even well known within New York, would be unfamiliar with the broader concept of New York City? They might want to know about the location Willets Point lies in, Corona, or even the borough, Queens; and if they don't know what's meant by a NYC borough, there's a link to that too. The fact that Willets Point lies in New York City is valuable, it certainly helps the reader's understanding, but the link is not. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

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