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Proposed deletion of Gillin Boat Club

The article Gillin Boat Club has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:CLUB

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Codf1977 (talk) 15:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Gillin Boat Club Meets Wikipedia Notability Standards

Hi Codf1977,

You proposed deletion of Gillin Boat Club with a reference to WP:CLUB. As the article meets the standards set forth in the Wikipedia Notability Guidelines, I have removed the {{dated prod}} notice.

In a few hours, I will be leaving for the country until April 2 and will not have internet access. I will not be able to respond to more specific concerns with the article (should you raise them) until after April 2. I would greatly appreciate if you would forego initiating a deletion process before I have returned and am able to respond.

Gillin Boat Club meets the following Primary Notability criteria for organizations. WP:PSTS states that an organization "is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources." Furthermore, "Notability requires only that these necessary sources exist, not that the sources have already been named in the article."

Here is a list of independent secondary sources that cover Gillin:

Bloat on the Water, City Paper

"Thomas Eakins Head of the Schuylkill Regatta 2009 Program" (PDF). p. 20.

Dedication of St. Joseph's Boathouse, First New One on the Schuylkill in 98 Years, Set for June 15, thefreelibrary.com

A New Era of Rowing at St. Joseph's Prep, The Bulletin

Saint Joseph's: SJU Dedicates Boat in Honor of Olympian Renee Hykel '01

Project Profile of Nason & Cullen

St.Josephs University - Boathouse Floor

As you point out, WP:CLUB presents an alternative criteria for non-comercial organizations:

Organizations are usually notable if they meet both of the following standards:

1. The scope of their activities is national or international in scale.
2. Information about the organization and its activities can be verified by third-party, independent, reliable sources.

1. The activities of Gillin Boat Club crews (St. Joe's U and St. Joe's Prep) are national and international:

• St. Joseph's Prep from Gillin "have been to England’s Henley Regatta eight times and won the prestigious Princess Elizabeth Cup in 2000."

• St. Joseph's Prep "swept the eight-oared races at the Stotesbury Regatta (largest juniors' regatta), becoming only the second team to accomplish the feat in the race’s 82-year history."

• St. Joseph's Prep "won the Stotesbury Cup nine times since 1987. The next closest is Thomas Jefferson (Va.) with three wins.

• St. Joseph's University won a Silver medal at the Dad Vail Regatta (largest US Regatta) 1959.

• St. Joseph's U won a Gold medal at the Dad Vail Regatta 1970.

• St. Joe's U coach Al Rosenberg took the U.S. Olympic 8 to Tokyo in 1964, winning gold.

• St. Joe's U grad Mike Teti '78, the current U.S. National Team coach

• Teti was 2004 FISA Coach of the Year,

• Teti led his Heavyweight 8 to Olympic Gold in Athens.

• Teti also guided the Heavyweight 8 to an unprecedented three consecutive World Titles from 1997-1999.

• Rosenberg and Teti (both from St. Joe's U) are the only coaches to guide the Olympic Men's rowing team to Gold since 1956.

• Donald Flanigan '60 and Richard Flanigan '60 captured over 40 U.S. and World Championships at the Masters level.

Since 2002, the crews of St. Joe's U at Gillian have accomplished:

• three gold medals at Dad Vail Regatta (largest US Regatta)

• one silver at Dad Vails

• two bronze medals at Dad Vails

• Dad Vail Men's Point Trophy in 2003, second in 2004

• qualified three boats for IRA's (national championship) in 2003 and 2004

• In 2004, the Varsity 4 finished fourth in the Grand Final at IRA's (national championship)

2. This information can be verified at various independent sites like these here:

A New Era of Rowing at St. Joseph's Prep, The Bulletin

Winner of every Stotesbury Cup Regatta race since the first race in 1927

Mike Teti Profile

Al Rosenberg Profile

1974 induction of Allen P. Rosenberg into hall of fame

2005 Dad Vail Results

2004 Dad Vail Results

As this article on Gillin Boat Club meets both the primary notability criteria (covered by secondary sources) AND the alternative criteria (international & national activity), when only one is necessary, the subject is clearly entitled to its own article and should not be deleted.

Ciricula (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure I totaly agree, however I will not go to AfD with the article at this time (or at any time in the next few weeks). Codf1977 (talk) 18:46, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your accommodation. If you have any specific concerns, please let me know, and when I return, I will try to address them.

Thanks so much,

Ciricula (talk) 19:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)