User talk:CaroleHenson/Archive 19

Sapiah

"Sapiah, known Charles Buck and Buckskin Charley ..."

Do you want to add the word as after known?

Cordially,

Jeffrey Beall (talk) 02:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC).

Hi Jeffrey Beall,

Great catch, thanks!

While you're here, do you have any thoughts about the artice title discussed at Talk:Sapiah#Article title?–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hold

Another list

Just came across this (very incomplete) list page. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Cielquiparle These two categories might be a good place to start: Category:Freedom suits in the United States and Category:United States slavery case law.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

And, this. I get easily overwhelmed. I am still overwhelmed about the List of Underground Railroad sites and have some additions for that list as well. But, it's good to know about this list to pick away at it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:09, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Part of me was starting to wonder if some lists exist mainly so that people have pages to link their new pages to... List of Underground Railroad sites is fascinating though and you can start to see all the webs connecting places and people. It may never be completely done but it feels like there is payoff there. One other random point: I just came across the stub for John Krum and thought of your interest in Alton, Illinois. His name is coming up as a judge in the St. Louis Circuit Court (?) and I thought somewhere that Murdoch wasn't happy with him, also because of their history in Alton. For now I find myself back in Jefferson City... Cielquiparle (talk) 18:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Cielquiparle, It seems John Krum deserves a better article!

Yes, I keep running across Alton, Illinois - most recently during my editing of Caroline Quarlls.

Good luck with the things you are working on. Nice to hear from you!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Territorial Road monument and plaque

I just found the article you created on Territorial Road in Michigan, and I can contribute. There is a length of road at the western end of the state called Territorial Road, which splits southwesterly from Red Arrow Highway west of Paw Paw, and appears to have been the original road. You can see an older map which shows it slightly different from today (this one from the USGS archive; maps with older dates listed by that one there are actually newer reprints). I did a personal write-up a couple decades ago which is almost completely OR so it's not usable but I did take some pictures in 1999 of a monument about Territorial and road marker in Keeler along this stretch which are included on that page (I'm not 100% sure if they're still there but they were in 2012). I can transfer those photos to Commons. Mapsax (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Mapsax, Sounds great! Are you needing help with the text or photos?–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I really don't need any help, I just wanted to inform you about it, in spite of lack of article ownership, because you had put so much work into it, plus I wanted to make sure you were in agreement that the southern alignment was relevant to the article. The files are now here and here. The only concern now is the historical status of the northern route west of Paw Paw, whether it was originally a northern segment or never was and MDOT's predecessor decided to run trunkline along it later. Mapsax (talk) 01:10, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I have started a discussion at Talk:Territorial Road (Michigan)#Various alignments. It's complicated. Mapsax (talk) 01:33, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

So grateful to meet you

I am so thankful for your perspective in the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America and my talk page. I'm surprised we haven't crossed paths before. --ARoseWolf 20:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

That's very sweet of you. I feel the same way.

For fun, I checked the Editor Interaction Analyzer: You contributed to an article I expanded John Jolly starting from this version, we've posted on the many of the same user talk pages, and a handful of articles about Native Americans that we both edited a bit.

I worked on Sam Houston and Native American relations and it would be interesting to get your thoughts on it. I have written so many articles about native peoles of the southwestern United States, but many have been long ago now and could probably due with some updating. I have a number of other historical, biographical, and women's history niches. It will be nice to learn more about you.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, back in my early days. I started out at the Cherokee Wikipedia back in 2020 and was invited to the English Wikipedia to edit some articles and been here since then. I helped expand the Cherokee Template and added it to several articles. John Jolly was one. You can email me anytime. Although I may not respond right away I will most definitely respond as soon as I am able. --ARoseWolf 11:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, The Cherokee and their history was really interesting. Sure re: the emailing. I have a hard time keeping up with email, so it's good we can level-set that we both aren't quick repliers there. It's an amazing day today. I hope it's good for you.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

According to the thermometer it is 36°F and it is quite overcast but no precipitation yet. Typical Spring day. :) --ARoseWolf 16:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• You are well meaning and you are trying to address an issue you see. I don't fault you in the slightest. I also don't question why you are trying. Flo mentioned that the Wikiproject seems rigid and I do sort of agree with that. We get attacked from both sides. I was literally mentioned as the focal point of an attack piece projecting me as someone that attacks new editors when that new editor was part of an organized attempt to change policy based edits because they didn't like them. I get attacked because I'm not "Native" enough or supportive of Native life experiences. I've been attacked because I am too "Native" and I support Native experiences too much. I've been called a fraud. I've been called disingenuous and had my motives challenged. My experiences are downplayed when no one has ever dared to ask about my experiences. They take parting shots at me and I take it. You know why? Because I am a volunteer editor just trying to make Wikipedia better. I can take the criticism because I am confident in who I am. I've made a ton of mistakes, especially early on as an editor. But I have learned and I have never said I am definitively right. My experiences are my own. Just as others are theirs. Other editors on the project are feeling a bit frayed. I can see it. I miss some of our members that have left even though I clashed with a few of them sometimes. It was never in bad faith and I have taken on their thoughts. I don't want this to turn into a long discussion so I may email you with some details. Suffice to say, I like to work with the editors on the project and I don't like when we clash. Lately, editing hasn't been that fun. --ARoseWolf 13:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh my goodness, ARoseWolf, this made me cry. I am so sorry that your identity - as well as your experiences, intentions, and capabilities - were attacked. I am so glad that you are confident in who you are! Apparently I could use more of that. I couldn't believe the attack against you when I read it, it didn't make any sense.

Perhaps I got lumped in with someone who tried to change "policy based edits". Reading between the lines, I can see my approach may have been too rigid.

Thank you so much for posting here. I didn't want to put you in the middle and was going to wait awhile before asking two individuals how I could help better (better help?). I will look for your email.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, I hope that it is possible to stay in touch. I wonder if there is wording that can differentiate those who are citizens and those with Native American heritage, of course based upon what the sources say, like:

• Citizen of the Navajo Nation vs.
• American of _______ descent?–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I was misunderstood early in the discussion by saying it is not a complicated issue. Self-identification is not a complicated term to apply by its definition. Citizenship is not hard either. Indigenous identity is because it has been so politicized and Wikipedia does not have a good handle on what is a reliable source for such identity. I also think the IPNA wikiproject is trying and has tried to balance this but it is a losing venture. I have never collaborated off-wiki to force content on Wikipedia and I will not discuss Wikipedia edits on another site. We are attacked from all sides. Corbie and IG probably had the right idea about leaving. Mark my words in the future there will be pieces written about this very thing when editors must include content and never question it's reliability and everyone becomes Native American just because they claim to be. I didn't come to Wikipedia to make discussions about me and I am not about to become the focal point of discussion on or off-Wiki. I just wanted to work with people to improve articles on subjects important to me through collaboration and discussion. It was wonderful to meet you :). --ARoseWolf 18:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)