Brad, churchwarden, St Mary Magdalene, Willen
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- Hi,
- thank you for the email.
- I am the current church warden for St Mary Magdalene, an elected voluntary postion by the church council, and the changes I made were purely factual. I am also the head of research for the proposed new building in the churchyard so have a great knowledge about the history and archicture of the building, I also run the church's website. As such, I would be concerned if any factual changes I make to correct previous inaccuracies are undone, though I respect Wikipedia's need to write in neutral fashion and will do so in future.
- Happy to answer any questions you may have.
- Best regards,
- Brad St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 10:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- The changes were not purely factual: the tone of some of them was promotional in tone. Further, there were a number of spelling and other errors that called the accuracy of the material into question.
- If you have additions or changes to make to the article, you will need to request them at the article's talk page and provide reliable sources, preferably independent, to support the change. —C.Fred (talk) 10:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi,
- I accept your comments regarding the tone of my comments. Spelling mistakes are a possibility. May I ask what factual changes you are questioning? I'm confused. Things like the address, including my email address, can be found on our official church website: www.willenchurch.org
- Best regards,
- Brad St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am also shocked that, not only have you deleted all my changes, this even includes the official website, www.willenchurch.org, which you will see is active, live and also referred to by Churches for You and a Google search. I thought Wiki was supposed to be keen to be accurate, not cling to out-dated, no-longer accurate information. St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello St Mary Magdalene, Willen. First, your username is a violation of the username policy because it claims that you represent an entity. You must also disclose if you are being paid to edit on your userpage. Other than that, you have a clear misunderstanding of how this encyclopedia works. Wikipedia is built on reliable sources so that it can prove verifiability. These sources should be non-primary. Not only this, but because you run the website, you are citing yourself. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 13:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not paid. If you read my inital reply you would have seen I hold a voluntary, elected church warden post - I am also on the church council and head of the reasearch project on Robert Hooke. I have just updated the Church Near You page for this church , to express my dismay at Wiki's refusal to accept updates by me: https://www.achurchnearyou.com/church/406/about-us/ St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- And yes, I run the website but it is the offfical, current website for the church by the church, and can also be found on the Church Near You official page for this building. I do know what I am talking about St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have keys to the building and have been on the bell tower roof to fix a leak. The photo I took from there is on our website. I would be happy to send you a link to our three research boards, currently hanging inside the church and co-funded by the National Lottery Heritage Fund, which detail the changes I have been trying to upload. St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I do represent an entitiy, it is called the Church of St Maray Magdalene, Willen - in the position of church warden. If my username is a violation, why was it accepted in the first place? St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 14:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- St Mary Magdalene, Willen, the filter that runs when accounts are created does not catch everything. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 14:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, but the description of me as a representative of the church can be affirmed via the Church of England's official page for this church, https://www.achurchnearyou.com/church/406/about-us/ which also affirms the official website as willenchurch.org. On this website you will also find links to our extensive research on the church and Robert Hooke, along with a photo of the electronic bell tappers funded by John Figg, with a plaque to his wife Roma.
- This is a link to the three research posters currently hanging in the church nave and detailing the changes I was trying to make. http://willenchurch.org/hooke.html
- Unless you deem the Church of England's own page for St Mary Magdalene, Willen to be unreliable, please allow me to make corrections to the Wikipedia page for this church, as the church warden, an unpaid representative of it. St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 15:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- St Mary Magdalene, Willen, that is a primary source. They're not disallowed, but you are suggested to use better sources (see also original research guidelines). You cannot have the name of an entity as your username. Please request a name change. I'd suggest something like "[Your name] at St Mary Magdalene, Willen". —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 18:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I will request a name change.
- As for better sources, as head of research, as well as church warden, have spent a day in each of these London archives: Lambeth Palace, Westminster School and Metropolitan; as well as a host of other reaseach areas, including The Royal Society. What is most annoying Wiki-wise is the continued refusal to update even the official website to what can clearly be seen as the current active one: www.willenchurch.org not the old, out of date www.willenchurch.org.uk
- What is also annoying is the credence given to entries that clearly do not know the church or its history so well.
- I will be making a video inside the church shortly, entered by my key, including verifying the north vestry as a vestry and not a library, as Wiki still incorrectly state. This video will be made available on our official website.
- Brad Stone, churchwarden, St Mary Magdalene, Willen, MK15 St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 10:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- St Mary Magdalene, Willen, that is a primary source. They're not disallowed, but you are suggested to use better sources (see also original research guidelines). You cannot have the name of an entity as your username. Please request a name change. I'd suggest something like "[Your name] at St Mary Magdalene, Willen". —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 18:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- St Mary Magdalene, Willen, the filter that runs when accounts are created does not catch everything. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 14:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I do represent an entitiy, it is called the Church of St Maray Magdalene, Willen - in the position of church warden. If my username is a violation, why was it accepted in the first place? St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 14:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have keys to the building and have been on the bell tower roof to fix a leak. The photo I took from there is on our website. I would be happy to send you a link to our three research boards, currently hanging inside the church and co-funded by the National Lottery Heritage Fund, which detail the changes I have been trying to upload. St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- And yes, I run the website but it is the offfical, current website for the church by the church, and can also be found on the Church Near You official page for this building. I do know what I am talking about St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not paid. If you read my inital reply you would have seen I hold a voluntary, elected church warden post - I am also on the church council and head of the reasearch project on Robert Hooke. I have just updated the Church Near You page for this church , to express my dismay at Wiki's refusal to accept updates by me: https://www.achurchnearyou.com/church/406/about-us/ St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello St Mary Magdalene, Willen. First, your username is a violation of the username policy because it claims that you represent an entity. You must also disclose if you are being paid to edit on your userpage. Other than that, you have a clear misunderstanding of how this encyclopedia works. Wikipedia is built on reliable sources so that it can prove verifiability. These sources should be non-primary. Not only this, but because you run the website, you are citing yourself. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 13:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am also shocked that, not only have you deleted all my changes, this even includes the official website, www.willenchurch.org, which you will see is active, live and also referred to by Churches for You and a Google search. I thought Wiki was supposed to be keen to be accurate, not cling to out-dated, no-longer accurate information. St Mary Magdalene, Willen (talk) 13:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)