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PKK rebellion casualties

Your last edit removed properly sourced information and its sources. Original Turkish claim [1] for 5,300 included both dead, wounded and captured. Not just dead (who were estimated at 3,583). The third party (ICG) referred to the entire conflict. (We are obligated to include neutral third-party estimates beside the beligerent's claims) The Turkish military [2] at the start of March gave a substantially lower toll of 1,250 since July for the entire conflict area (southeast Turkey). So both tolls need to be presented. Hope this has cleared everything up. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 06:35, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't know if you read my previous message and edit summaries, but still, I am going to leave you this new message in regard to your last edit. The WSJ [3] clearly states and I quote More than 350 members of Turkey's security forces, at least 300 Kurdish militants and more than 200 civilians have been killed since July, according to the International Crisis Group, a nonprofit group that analyzes global conflicts. Furthermore, when looking at this link [4] (directly from the ICG) it clearly says and I quote Around 900 people, including 350 members of the security forces. Looking at the larger version of the report it also identifies another 250 of the dead as civilians. Per WP:CALC we can estimate 300 dead are militants (which is backed up by the WSJ which explicitly states this). This issue had already been discussed at the talk page (please look it up) and, per WP policy of citing secondary sources (WP:SECONDARY) as the WSJ, editors were in agreement that its clearly cited that per the ICG 300 PKK died. Second, as I previously explained, the original Erdogan claim [5] of 5,000+ included both dead, wounded and captured. Not just dead (who were estimated at 3,583). English-speaking sources incorrectly cited him of claiming 5,000 dead, when he was actually referring to all types of losses among the PKK. This news story [6] in fact reports on the miss-interpretation of what Erdogan said. Finally, again as I previously explained, the Turkish military [7] at the start of March gave a substantially lower toll of 1,250 since July for the entire conflict area (southeast Turkey). So both tolls need to be presented. EkoGraf (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Your last edit here [8] was unsourced. You did not provide a source for the claim of 377 security forces and 4,432 PKK. Cited references still saying 406 and 3,765. To try and verify your assertion I googled the figures 377 and 4,432 and found [9] they were claimed by the government-run Anadolu Agency a month and a half ago before the Turkish government made two official updates to the toll ([10][11]) which were again relayed by the Anadoly Agency. Per WP policy, outdated info should be replaced by newer info that is coming from the same source. EkoGraf (talk) 10:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Here's [12] the newest toll from yesterday (the source again being the government-run Anadoly Agency). 430+ security forces and 3,800+ PKK. EkoGraf (talk) 10:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

This new 5,000 figure (by Turkish advisor Cevik) was originally made on April 27th. The state-run Anadolu Agency stated a figure of 3,800 on May 4th. The 3,800 figure is stated at a newer date. However, considering the great disparity between the Cevik claim and the AA claim the proper course of action would be to present both figures. So, I have no intention of undoing your edit (removing your figure) and agree that the figure should be included, but, along with the newer claim as well (AA - 3,800). As for the verifiable only stated addition about the Crisis Group... The Crisis Group indeed states those are the verified PKK deaths, but because they believe there are unverified PKK dead mixed up with unverified civilians among the 196 unidentified killed. So, I will instead note that the 196 unidentified dead potentially includes both civilians and PKK. Once again, thank you for finding this new 5,000 claim. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 01:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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