Andrew-Mark Edwards

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Completion

Thankyou for the welcome, I'm a close friend of Bert's and hope to complete his life works through conversation between me and himself. Andrew-Mark Edwards (talk) 15:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Help me!

Please help me with...

Andrew-Mark Edwards (talk) 20:13, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I need help, with learning how to upload images from my phone in to my edits, please help me to understand, I'm new to this

If they are your photos, then you should be using c:Commons:Upload, and there is a help page for uploading at c:Commons:Help desk. Uploading to commons, means the images can be used on any language wiki. It also saves someone having to move the image from en-wiki to commons later. Your username/password works the same on commons, and you get your own talk page there as well. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

October 2018

Hello, I'm Tacyarg. I noticed that you made one or more changes to an article, Bert Holcroft, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Hi there - I can see from your notes that you are editing Bert Holcroft's page on his behalf. This means you have a conflict of interest. You should not normally edit his page at all in these circumstances, and, if you do, please be very careful to include a published reference for every addition you make. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, I can see you have added in your changes to Bert Holcroft again. You really do need to give sources for these and confine them to neutral remarks, or they are very likely to be deleted again. Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 20:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Andrew, I saw your note on your user page. I understand that you want to improve your friend's page. There are two difficulties here. One is that you have a conflict of interest because you know Bert Holcroft well. If you click on the blue link for conflict of interest you will see that it says "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships. ... COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. It undermines public confidence and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals and companies being promoted. Editors with a COI are sometimes unaware of whether or how much it has influenced their editing". What this means is that really you should not edit your friend's article but post on the article's Talk page about the changes you want to make, and ask other editors to make them for you.

The second issue is that everything on Wikipedia should have a reference - every fact should be supported by a reliable source like a newspaper article or a book. So for instance the article says that Bert Holcroft wrote books on nutrition - this needs to be supported by a published source. You cannot give yourself as a reference because readers of Wikipedia do not know who you are.

Does that help at all? I will replace the conflict of interest tag on the article and start a discussion on the Talk page to which you can contribute. Sports articles are not my area of expertise so hopefully someone can come along who is better informed than I am, and also someone who can advise you on photographs, as I can see you have asked about that. Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 21:31, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Andrew, I've done a rewrite on the article on Bert to bring it in line with Wikipedia policies on neutrality, sourcing etc. You may think it's somewhat anodyne but that's an effect of having to maintain a neutral point of view. I reinforce the comment above about sources and your conflict of interest it's important to understand that although the article is about Bert, it is not controlled by him, or me or you for that matter, which is why there is an insistence that content is all supported by verifiable sources. This might come as a shock but Bert himself - as with any article subject - is not considered a good source except for very basic information as what they say can't be verified and is subject to bias, conscious or unconscious. This is why secondary sources that have written about Bert and his achievements are preferred, the Leigh Journal article is borderline as it is based on an interview with Bert and is subjective rather than being an objective assessment but as most of it can be verified or clarified from elsewhere I've used it in lack of anything better. If there are other sources available that are independent of Bert, then please supply some details and I'll happily see what can be used to support or expand the content.

You also asked about photos and I see you have uploaded a couple stating that you are the copyright holder - that is only true if you took the original image, not took a copy for the purpose of uploading it, this is a common misunderstanding so it's something we are used to sorting out. As the picture of the crew of HMS Petunia is obviously from a book, your claim of authorship isn't going to stand but I can't see all the detail of original owner to work out if it might be a public domain item anyway. Similar comment applies to the searchlight photo. The photo of Bert & Margo will belong to the person who took it, so if you took it then all is fine but if you didn't permission from the person who did take it is going to be needed.

I'm sorry if all his sounds a bit negative, Bert deserves a better article than what there was but it needs to be done in a way that complies with Wikipedia policy and style. I'll put in work towards improving it but I have to say Bert isn't the easiest person to find information about except, sadly, his less than successful time at Easts. Nthep (talk) 17:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Andrew, please read some of the links given above and some of the previous edit summaries. You are not a source for the article on Bert, you are an editor of the article in the same way that I am. That status is not a reason to try and include our own names in the text and, even if it were permissible, your last edits aren't it. All those did was to break the template that makes sure the article is displayed in the correct position in categories. As I wrote previously the problem is that there is a shortage of reliable sources from third-parties that talk about Bert, his life and his works. Without these it is impossible to improve the article. For example, you added that on his return from Australia that Bert became coach of Shamrock Rovers. This may be true but I cannot find a single independent source, printed or otherwise that allows me, or anyone else, to verify that fact. Without a source that information cannot be used. If you can find more independent sources that would be great otherwise any additions are just here say. Nthep (talk) 14:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

November 2018

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Bert Holcroft, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Hi there - a reliable source means a published one, not your own knowledge. Tacyarg (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Andrew, as I wrote previously articles have to be based on what is available in published, reliable sources, not what you know about the subject. Neither do you include phrases like "which I understand to be", Bert's award of the Legion of Honour is something the French government are awarding to all surviving veterans of D-Day and not, as far as I can ascertain, for any individual action of heroism by him, if you have sern or read differently then tell us where and what you saw. There is a dearth of published information about him except for his less than successful period at Easts and without published information there is little to add. Please stop adding information based solely on personal knowledge or what Bert has told you. And another plea, please talk to us, we are all willing to help improve the article but it has to conform with Wikipedia policies and style, something I and others are probably more knowledgeable than you, so communicate with us, don't just keep adding indiosyncratic rubbish which will just annoy others and can result in editing sanctions being imposed on you. Nthep (talk) 23:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Screw u wiki

Thankyou for your negative input, I have found another way to edit and print Bert Holcrofts story, so Goodbye wikishite Andrew-Mark Edwards (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)