User talk:Andreasegde/Archive 1 June-September 2006

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Non-notable relatives

Count the reference notes

The easy ones:

• Lady Randolph Churchill
• Leo Blair (senior)
• William Wilde
• Francis A. Nixon, Hannah Milhous Nixon, Arthur Nixon and Edward Nixon
• Jaid Barrymore
• Jolie Gabor
• Mary Ball Washington
• James Madison, Sr.
• Jane Randolph Jefferson
• Norma Major

The difficult ones:

• Hannah Harriett Hill
• Vissarion Dzhugashvili and Ekaterina Geladze
• Maria Alexandrovna Ulyanova
• Pauline Koch
• Alfred Roberts
• Klara Pölzl
• Francis Lenn Taylor
• Letizia Ramolino
• Elizabeth Hutchinson Jackson
• Nancy Hanks
• Louise Lindner

The The

Examples of the uppercase definitive article (The):

On TV and radio:

• The Office, The Apprentice, The Wire, The Archers, and The Likely Lads

Bands: Of course, if you have a foreign name like Los Lobos (The Wolves) or Los Super Seven, it's OK...

• The Who,The Drifters, The Band, The Libertines, The The, The Cure, The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band, The Dandy Warhols, The Jam, The Knack, The La's, The Undertones, The Shadows, Gerry & The Pacemakers, The Dakotas (band), The Verve, The Chemical Brothers and The Beach Boys

The 69 Eyes The Alarm The Alkaline Trio The All-American Rejects The Andrews Sisters The Animals The Art Ensemble of Chicago The Ataris The Average White Band The Babys The Bacon Brothers The Band The Barry Sisters The Beach Boys The Beatles The beekeepers The Beloved The Berzerker The Black Crowes The Blue Hawaiians The Blue Nile The Bluetones The Brand New Heavies The Buggles The Byrds The Calling The Cardigans The Cars The Chieftains The Church The Clash The Commodores The Cooper Temple Clause

The Coral The Corrs The Cowntdown Singers The Cramps The Cross The Crystal Method The Cult The Cure The Dandy Warhols The Darkness The Datsuns The Devils The Dillinger Escape Plan The Diodes The Drifters The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa The Emotions The Fabulous Thunderbirds The Faint The Farm The Fevers The Firm The Flaming Lips The Four Seasons The Four Tops The funky lowlives The Gallery The Ganja Kru The Gathering The Gods The gordon highlanders The Great Kat The Guess Who The Happy Family The Haunted The Herbaliser The Hollies The Housemartins The Isley Brothers The Jacksons The Jerusalem Xperience The Killer Babies The Kills The Kinks The KLF The Last Emperor The Law The Legends of World Rock The Lettermen The Levellers The London Suede The Lords The Lords of New Church The Lost Boyz The Mamas and The Papas The Matadors The Matches The Mccoys The Meditations The Merlons The Mighty Diamonds The Mighty Lemon Drops The Mighty Mighty Bosstones The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath a Cloud The Move The Music The Neptunes The New Radicals The Notting Hillbillies The Osmonds The Pan Pipers The Pogues The Polyphonic Spree The Postal Service The Pretty Things The Psychedelic Furs The Rapture (Doom Metal) The Rapture [Indie Rock] The Rasmus The Rat Pack The Raveonettes The Real McCoy The Red Elvises The RH Factor The Roots The Rutles The Sabres of Paradise The Shadows The Shamen The Shins The Shirelles The Silencers The Simpsons The Sins of Thy Beloved The Skatalites The Smithereens The Smiths The Sound The Source The Specials The Stands The Stills The Stone Roses The Stooges

The Stranglers The Strike Boys The Suicide Machines The Tangent The The The Thrills The Tiger Lillies The Timewriter The Tin Machine The Tragically Hip The Trammps The Traveling Wilburys The Tremeloes The Turtles The Underdog Project The Used The Vandals The Velvet Underground The Verve The Vines The Von Bondies The Walkabouts The Waltons The Watchmen The Whitlams The Who The Wildhearts

Newspapers:

• The Independent, The Observer, The Lancet, The Sun, The Scotsman, The Stage, The Spectator, The Sunday Times (UK) The Tablet, The Daily Telegraph, circulation equals The Sunday Telegraph, The Independent on Sunday, The Wire magazine, The Fortean Times, The Oldie, The London Evening Standard, and The Jewish News.

Other links:

• The Pension Service, The Highway Code, The Photographers' Gallery, The Women's Library, The Fat Duck, The National Gallery, The Herald, The o2, The Place, The Lighthouse and The Children's Society

Barnstar

I award you this music Barnstar for your hard work improving articles related to The Beatles, in particular the important but hereto unloved The Beatles' influence on popular culture. --kingboyk 12:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Oooh, can I touch yer?--Crestville 13:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yer, ya can - but you´ll have to get to the back of the queue, mate. :)

I've just realised that "Oooh, can I touch yer?" is from Billy Ocean's, "When the going gets tough".

(Sound of coughing, and tapping on table...) Ladies and Gents, I gratefully accept this heartwarming Barnstar for my unofficial admin role as Bargain bin editor. I thank his Royal Highness Kingboyk for bestowing this award on myself. I will now celebrate with a pint of golden nectar which I will proceed to pour down me throat. Now.... Do you have any more cheap, unloved, or merge articles that I can get me greasy fingers on? --andreasegde 15:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

lol, OI! don't make light of it ok? you deserve that barnstar. And I graciously accept mine also - cheers.--Crestville 20:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I wasn´t making fun - I am really chuffed (proud) about it. For someone to give an annomyous user a compliment like that is a true compliment indeed. --andreasegde 21:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophe

I just want to preface this by saying that I mean no offense whatsoever when I ask you these questions.

Is there a technical reason that you use a backtick (`), rather than an apostrophe (')? I mean, I don't know where you're from, so maybe it's a keyboard issue, but it just drives me nuts. I can't help it. It just bothers me. I don't suppose there's any chance you'll change your writing habits? Kind regards. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I really have to shut up today. I just realized that you don't use a backtick. You use something else. Maybe it's actually an acute accent (´)? Still, it drives me nuts. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it´s not me, it´s my friggin´ Austrian keyboard. I could copy everything over to Winword, and then back, but it´s a pain. (There are four in the last sentence...) I´ll (fifth one) try and find a way around it. Try this out: üöäÜÖÄ ... wait a minute... I've just found it, and it's working! Thanks, Gordon! --andreasegde 21:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! And now you can do bold and italic by hand! And with my Mac, it's easy to to do things like üöäÜÖÄ, as well as ëïÿËÏŸ, and more! —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

You Mac users have always had the upper hand. I have a small open wound my doctor calls WindowsXP. Do you have some salt to rub in it? lol :) --andreasegde 21:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Lightbulb joke

Hella is a slang term which came out of Northern California and has become one of those litmus-test words which identifies someone who uses it (genuinely) as a Northern Californian. It basically means "a lot" or "very much". Very, very many people in the Bay Area use it at least occasionally. The joke is just a play on its popularity in this area. eae 03:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Ta very much. Not sure if it's funny though, except to people from Northern California. --andreasegde 16:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Only a .22

Don't worry, It wasn't with a 44 Mag! Cheers pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 10:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Said in a smoky and rough voice: "It would have blown my foot clean off. Are you feelin' lucky today, punky right foot?" (Apologies to Clint...) --andreasegde 15:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Paul McCartney joke

Reporter, doorstepping Macca leaving his solicitors, "Sir Paul, under the current circumstances, are you likely to be going down on one knee anytime in the future?" Macca, "No. The divorce is still on!" ps. Did you see the "afters" of the left handed mass debate at Macca talk?LessHeard vanU 14:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, (lol). It's the old problem of "monitor blindess", and answering a comment when one is angry, elated, drunk, bored, despairing, confused and addicted (to these pages). I have also been guilty of that, but never of saying that someone is stupod, an idit, or insilting somone. Ahh... the luxury of good eyesight via National Health glasses :)

Good Work

I noticed you're really active in the Beatles articles, well I'd just like to say that it's really nice to see - you should be commended indeed, and tell the other members I said so! Keep up the good work. LuciferMorgan 23:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

LOL! Alright for some eh? I capitalise about 9,000,000 "The's" and all I get is the "Son Of Webster" on me case! Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Uhh... I can't bathe in the glory of Wikipedian respect just yet. I've rolled my sleeves up have got a jar of elbow grease out so I can work on the McCartney article. It's gonna get a GA class or my name's not Rumpelstiltskin. Do you want to join in? I'm up to his role in The Fabs so far. If you have a book other than those cited it would be great, la. Come on in - the water's lovely. --andreasegde 12:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Macca and the frogs

Did you know?... Macca used to kill frogs with a big stick and call them "Johnny Rebs". He had a collection of 10 or 11 down by the local beck/stream. His brother (Michael) ws horrified when Macca showed them to him. "Many Years From Now" book...

"Mike's eye's did see the glory of his brother's murdered toads,

His murderin' of froggies was the talk of Scottie Road,

Cos us Scousers are all psycho's and Jesus how it shows,

As the 'Pool go marchin' on.

Gory gory Paul McCartney, he got battered by his Auntie,

Gory gory Paul McCartney, as the 'Pool go marchin' on! on! on!

Paul McCartney article

I'll dig me books out and give a hand. Cheers la! Vera, Chuck & Dave 23:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yor as mad as me! I've just read the Macca article, and you've done a great job - I'll have to check the library to see if there's any more info on him, I've got nothing to improve or add to anything you've done - like! Cheers pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm only down to the end of The Beatles, but I don't have much on Wings, and later. You could take a piece from later, and work on that, if you want. (I'll know you're working on it because of the history section, so I'll keep me greasy fingers off it.) --andreasegde 15:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah It's the Wings stuff I need, I'll let you know if they got anything. Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

If you wish to improve this article, you could change the "Miscellany" section to a section regarding McCartney's legacy. Add an intro, convert the listy stuff into prose and tie it all cohesively together into flowing paragraphs, then place unsuitable info elsewhere - this'd help the article. LuciferMorgan 18:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I haven't got to that bit yet, but I will :) --andreasegde 18:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

"Achievements" may be better named as "Legacy" - it will need a summarising paragraph to introduce what you're chatting about in this particular section. Also, (to satisfy comprehensiveness) there should be a subsection in this part discussing Paul McCartney's musical influence, ie. who he has influenced, how he has influenced them etc. As ever, inline citations will be required. LuciferMorgan 18:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think a few will own up to it, Oasis, U2, etc. Even if only one or two open up, you can still cite. Also, music reviewers may have stated his influence which'll also be helpful. LuciferMorgan 19:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Okey-dokey. --andreasegde 19:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

James Files

I know you don't care for me, but I won't put up with accusations like that. If you wish to repost your comments without the insult, feel free, and I will respond. That talk page was civil for once; please don't drag it down into the gutter again. Gamaliel 22:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I am willing to discuss the article content in a civil manner, however I will keep removing your comments if you keep accusing me of racism. Gamaliel 23:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You wrote, "I know you don't care for me", which is an interesting statement. I have no idea what you mean. I wrote, "It sounds like racism" (about your comment about Belgium). That was not direct, and it was only a comment. --andreasegde 23:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do not use Wikilawering to justify personal attacks. Gamaliel 23:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

What does that mean? I have searched for it on Wikipedia, but I haven't found it. --andreasegde 23:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiLawyering. Gamaliel 23:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I loved this phrase: "through sticking to a too-literal interpretation of the letter thereof". Thereof? Lawyer-speak, is it not? Everything is possible, but what not may be construed is impossible. --andreasegde 23:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

For the final time, if you wish to discuss article content, I am eager and willing. I will not discuss your opinions of me nor will I tolerate your insults and attacks in whatever form they take. Gamaliel 23:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You are going overboard. Calm down. I have never attacked you. Please give me proof of my so-called attacks, or insults, before you get so angry. --andreasegde 23:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think it was a direct attack, then do something about it. I would prefer arbitration by a Belgian user, if you agree. --andreasegde 09:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

We need an arbitration on Gamaliel's conduct

Gamaliel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)'s conduct has gotten erratic and, on some points, compulsive. His repetitive clashes with other editors are well documented. This recent clash is strange, first by the number of reverts Gamaliel makes, and then for his cryptic and baffling reasons for his deletions.

• (cur) (last) 23:02, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) (Revert to revision 80902025 dated 2006-10-11 22:51:52 by Gamaliel using popups)

• (cur) (last) 22:51, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) m (Reverted edits by Andreasegde (talk) to last version by Gamaliel) • (cur) (last) 21:02, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) (→Deletion of Files statement) • (cur) (last) 20:38, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) (→Deletion of Files statement) • (cur) (last) 23:02, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) (Revert to revision 80902025 dated 2006-10-11 22:51:52 by Gamaliel using popups) • (cur) (last) 22:51, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) m (Reverted edits by Andreasegde (talk) to last version by Gamaliel) • (cur) (last) 21:02, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) (→Deletion of Files statement)

• (cur) (last) 20:38, 11 October 2006 Gamaliel (Talk | contribs) (→Deletion of Files statement)

This is counter productive behavior by Gamaliel under any interpretation of Wikipedia policy. Unfortunately, Gamaliel is also an administrator which seems to embolden him.

What is worrisome is that his counterproductive behavior as an editor must reflect his decision making abilities as administrator.

He now doesn't even view himself as an editor but, rather, a source of important opinions.

But, Gamaliel is wrong. He needs to be published by a reliable source to be considered a reliable reference for his particular viewpoint on any given subject. Gamaliel also has to recognize that he can't simply decide he doesn't agree with certain information and therefore delete it from the reference work.

RPJ 05:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Radio Rental that one!

Right la off up the road, see if they got anything about Wings. See yer later. Vera, Chuck & Dave 11:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Okey Dokey... they had sweet FA about Wings or even Macca, But they are going to get me Wingspan, Hits & History, over from Woolwich said she'd inform me the moment it's in - are you familiar with it? Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I liked Wings a lot, but I was alway more interested in The Fabs. I am one of those "It´s a pity they stopped writing together" sad cases. Great work though, Vera, Chuck, and Dave. (BTW, I used to live in Abbey Wood, Clapham and Streatham (not at the same time, of course :) --andreasegde 18:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I never did! I know Abbey Wood, one of the lads on my watch lives there! How's it going with head the ball? :)(God this site is wierd at times, It's taken ages to save this! Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I've just had problems as well. It's nine o'clock at night over here, so I think "the teenies" are on, and the site is overloaded. --andreasegde 19:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Your edits

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

--Oscarthecat 20:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Book's In!

Will pick it up in about an hour. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 10:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Right, it's bloody useless! It's like a coffee table companion to a T.V. documentary, mostly photos of the band and stuff that says "Linda putting on her lipstick backstage" and the like! It dosen't even have a proper author or numbered pages! Sorry pal. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 14:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Spooky or what? I just got home and logged in! Yeah it looks much better where you put it. It comes from the Slim Whitman entry in the Guinness Who's Who Of Country Music. How do I stick it in? Vera, Chuck & Dave 17:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

GOT to go out, if you want to put it in and show me some other time, it's the above, plus Guinness Pulishing, ISBN 0-85112-726 . See yer termorra, Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm home and I done it! Mind you it took me six goes, and just a little help from me wife! Dead Gear tha eh la! Where did King Bonk write that about us? Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

On Beatles project talk page --andreasegde 16:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Seen it! Fab!! Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

LOL! I told yer before... yor as mad as me la! Be great though eh? Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Left handed compliments

Did you look into the history and see my first response to the idiots posting? I'm going to give him a little more info and then leave it alone. Ah, well - if I made you laugh.....LessHeard vanU 20:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I did (and laughed) but I thought it wise to not feed him. I doffed my cap, tugged my forelock, and made my apologies. As he doesn't sign in, I wonder who he really is? --andreasegde 19:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Macca's Guitars

I've included a link to all of his guitars, the only problem is it contradicts the story of him seeing Slim Whitman at the Empire & says he saw a "picture" of Whitman playing left handed. I can't imagine that the Guinness book is incorrect, because Paul met him when they went to the USA and also in the UK. What would you suggest? Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

That's outside the realm of my knowledge. I'll have a look. --andreasegde 19:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

My mistake! it says he saw him on a Poster when he played the Empire! Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok can you do it please? Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

That's great - I've slightly reworded it, do you want to check it? Vera, Chuck & Dave 20:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"I can hear the guitars playing lovely tunes" (sorry wrong group!) Cheers Pal, nice one yerself! Vera, Chuck & Dave 21:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright?

Alright Pal? I've read the discusion page but because of all the terminology, I don't fully understand what's happened. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 14:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hope you will be back on Wiki very soon.LessHeard vanU 14:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, LessHeard vanU.

Reply to Vera, Chuck & Dave. (The former 'collaboration of the week' duo...)

No, I'm effin' well cheesed off. The main aim (as you know) was to get the article a better rating than a B (B article). A GA (Good article) would have been great, and then it could have been improved and polished, with a view to getting an FA (Featured article). Unfortunately, the ‘big guns’ came in and wanted to push it for an FA, which it definitely wasn't ready for.

The problem stems from a point that I made which was this: Should the article be chronological? I was told that it should be "thematic", which I disagreed with. (Moving the meeting of Macca and Linda after the Liverpool Institute 'LIPA' section, is thematic, but not chronological. It's not even logical, to silly old me :)

I was even told that “it was a right old mess before”, and I “should be grateful” for someone helping me. As no comments were posted stating that before, it pissed me well and truly off.

It has just failed its GA (Good article) review, because "there has been some ‘heavy editing’ recently, and there are too many 'expand', and 'This is a stub' comments”. No surprise there. Take a look at it now... It looks like a 'Start' article.

Anybody that knows me knows that I don't like arguments, so I will take a break, and ponder awhile.... --andreasegde 14:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

May I suggest that you remove Macca from your watch list, take a deep breath, and find another article to enjoy? Refresh yourself with the delights of another subject. I would be pleased if you stayed within The Beatles Project, as it contains few regular contributors, but you may feel the need of fresh air.LessHeard vanU 14:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I put a lot of time into the Macca article (even giving up a week's holiday) so I am in two minds about this (to ponder is a nice phrase). I am of the mind that I should come back with both guns blasting, and get it a GA, which was our (with Vera, Chuck and Dave) original intention. --andreasegde 14:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Whatever you decide, I hope that it means staying with wikipedia.LessHeard vanU 14:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much, LessHeard vanU. I have put on my stetson, and have loaded my Magnum 45. I'm back. Do the punks feel lucky? (lol) :)

As ane fule kno, Clint did not wear a stetson when wielding a Magnum choccy icecream! Seriously, antipathy toward any individual is not part of the wiki ethos - and may be counter productive when it involves a really rather decent Admin. This punk (which I was back in '79) does indeed feel lucky - yer back in the game! LessHeard vanU 15:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Believe me, I do not have a single bone in my body that harbours any malice at all. I'm only a bit cheesed-off about 'Brutus'. I will continue. (I should tell a joke now, but I can't think of one....) --andreasegde 15:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, just another hoax three nines eh? This place is like the infants playground. Alfa Four One Out.

I'm one of the few who feels Kingboyk helped with the Macca article it seems and helped (just an opinion), unless someone has a better arrangement to use. Having said that, come back!! This Project needs active editors, which I feel is lacking. Also, you listen to others, which is rare in my experience. LuciferMorgan 18:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Brutus

Brutus was very fond of "chocolate Christians", a popular Roman sweet. One day he noticed that someone had stolen - and likely eaten - three of his chocolates. In a rage he set off to the senate. On the way he encountered Julius Caesar, laying dying of stab wounds. Seeing the expression on Brutus' face the stricken emperor said, "Et tu, Brutus?". In a rage Brutus pulled out his dagger, crying, "Et Tu? You ate three! Die!!" (what is Latin for 'Boom Boom'?)LessHeard vanU 15:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Wordlist

Bugger, kerfuffle, mothers' meetings, in off the pink, mine's a pint, up yours, nice one, right old mess, concensus, my opinion, knacker's yard, too right mate, powers that be, watchlist, happy as Larry, no idea, blah blah blah, in-line citations.

It doesn't mean anything - I just wanted to get it off my chest.--andreasegde 10:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Please come back

You're one of the most, if not the most, dedicated Beatle editors and Wikipedia needs you! That's why I gave you a barnstar after all!

Please come back and get Macca's article up to FA, so I can send you the beer I promised. I don't care what structure you use, just so long as it's interesting and entertaining and the TOC doesn't take up a foot of screen space. By all means roll back my restructuring if you think it's not a winner.

I'm not gonna interfere and I'm not entirely sure what I did wrong... but I hope you come back and help the project get it's first new FA! --kingboyk 11:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC) PS I have resigned from the WikiProject, probably only temporarily, since I was clearly in the minority about how we should be proceeding and behaving. I have no hard feelings and I hope you don't. Good luck.

An open letter

I have some ideas that you should think about (and I will not back down about this... :)

• Vera, Chuck, and Dave must be back on board, because he's great to work with and personally I need his help, and advice.
• Kingboyk must also come back because of the above.
• Prove to everybody on Wikipedia that it is possible for three (or more) editors to work together on one article. Now - that's a challenge. Are you up for it?
• Finish the bloody article, and then we can decide what to do. "Don't leave a job half-finished."

We all have some stylistic questions (who doesn't?) but those can be resolved on the talk page - and I really mean resolved...

I want to get back to work. --andreasegde 15:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no need to apologize to me, it's my fault for projecting my anger on to you, after all you we're the injured party, so I apologise to you. As for the "Devil", he just needs some HX in his gob! MISU on route, ETA termorra. Alfa Four One Over.

Told yer soft lad, I'm on route! Blues & Two's, the friggin works! Estimated Time Of Arrival Tomorrow - on duty (again!) tonight. Take care Pal an Fuck 'em all! Alfa Four One Over.

You just caught me on the way out the door! Blues & Two's is Strobe Lights & Siren. We work "Watches" of eight hours. I work 5 on two off. If there is a major incident, you just stay til it's over! Miner eh? Hard buggers them lot! Cheers Pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Jesus! the teenies must be on again - tried to save 7 times!

There's two Editions of Wingspan!

Alright? Guess what - yes there's another one with not so many piccy's, it's got more words! They got it in from Plumstead this time! It's not fully comprehensive, but it's better than a poke in the eye with a plastic daff! Cheers Pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Is he? I Like Davis he (was & still) is a great player. I'll crack on as best I can and look forward to the return of the Station Manager, OK Boss? See yer Mate, Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hiya Pal, Alright? Yeah good win for you today - I tnink that little fecker Wise is the right man for the job, knows every trick in the book that little devil! Re the "exspansion of Jane Asher"(dream on!) I think I read that when they broke up, Macca went round to pick up a load of songs he'd written with John and she'd lobbed them in the bin! I think it was in Shotton's book, but I don't have it do you know anything about this? Cheers Pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

STOP PRESS: "Today in Dublin a scouser was drowned when he fell into a vat of Guinness. He was rescued fourteen times before drowning".

A man says to a chinese waiter, "This chicken is rubbery". The waiter says, "Fank you very much"... --andreasegde 11:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Proof?

Read the above, which needs to be addressed for McCartney's GA hopes. LuciferMorgan 18:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Macca

Any direct quotations you spot that aren't inline cited will need inline citations. LuciferMorgan 02:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Uhh... I'm getting good at that (though I did forget to put the source and date in the first 50...). --andreasegde 17:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm ok with it, though I'm rather scared to edit the article considering the ruckus that happened with Kingboyk etc. As concerns MPL etc., try searching "The Guardian"'s online archives for anything else they may have on McCartney. When I have time, I'll search for more online links (I own no books so this'll have to do). LuciferMorgan 11:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, no, no, this will not do at all, LuciferMorgan (lol) You have to get hands dirty like the rest of us. What we all had was a bit of a punch-up, and, like good cowboys, we got up, dusted ourselves off and shook hands like real men. :) (lol) "Come on in, the water's lovely", as they say. We need keen eyes to spot anything untoward. --andreasegde 11:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey come on, Mr Heavy Metal Lucifer Morgan - we're scared of you ;) No, seriously, you're just the kind of guy we need to help, as you have a sharp eye for detail and don't tolerate sloppy articles. Please do get stuck in as Andreasedge says :) --kingboyk 12:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Heavy Metal? Cool... I managed to blag my friend a Slayer photopass the other night, anyway I'll defer. I thought you resigned from the Beatles Kingboyk? I hope I'm wrong! The "Tug of War" being a success is still NPOV violation in my opinion - why can't we just quote album positions, or back it with album chart positions? I'll try getting stuck in where I can, though time doesn't permit for much. Hopefully the Project can be lifted back off the ground with McCartney. LuciferMorgan 13:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Now, now, young Lucifer, steady on, we don't talk about the fisticuffs/pistols at dawn business. Old hat, water under the bridge and all that.... We are here to serve our omnipotent master, the "Wicked of Pedant". BTW, someone will no doubt have a look-see at the "Tug of War" thingy.--andreasegde 17:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's better to quote it's position as this is proof of the album as a "success". "Success" is a matter of opinion, and depends what it is measured by. LuciferMorgan 18:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I took out some "number one hits" stuff. --andreasegde 19:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.mplcommunications.com/about.asp - Basic MPL Communications info from their official biography. LuciferMorgan 22:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.arb-forum.com/domains/decisions/95633.htm - Some sort of lawsuit (made by MPL) over domain names here... I'll let you lot decide if its worthy of inclusion as info. LuciferMorgan 22:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Newsletter

Seems nobody this month can work on the Newsletter. What should be the lead Project Story; McCartney or FA inline cite concerns? LuciferMorgan 18:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Both? Just kidding - I would suggest in-line, because I have noticed that a few editors are adding citations (in Macca) but they're not in-line. It seems to be a problem on lots of pages (that are not FAs, of course...) --andreasegde 18:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

A bit poorly

Alright pal? I'm not to good at the moment, I got me collar bone smashed, pity they're not rubbery like chineese chickens eh? I'm off me face on pain killers, but I'll still try to help where I can - these tablets are dead strange, when they kick in I either giggle like a big girl or cry like a baby, weird eh? Nice to see that the guvnor is back on the go! Yews two are making a dead good job of the Macca article. I'm going to have a cup of tea, a giggle and then I can provide a sourse for the last remaning about her Asherness! Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 20:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hope you get better soon. I remember when I had flu once, and I was so off my head I couldn't stop laughing. I quite enjoyed it... --andreasegde 22:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind message Cheers Pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 04:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

"One of many love songs for Linda",*(P.12) "Wings achieved three hits",(P.161) "Wings disbanded in 1981"(P.168) The sources are all Lewisohn, Mark. Wingspan: Little Brown, 2002. ISBN 0316860328 I've tried putting them in but it's gone all funny, can you stick em in please? Maybe i'm doing it wrong cos of the tabbies. Cheers, Vera, Chuck & Dave 04:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I've put in the page numbers (no he hasn't WE have!) I mean my lovely, twin baby girls have, (Hello, I'm Poppy) and (I'm Sammie) thanks for the star, a very kind gesture indeed! Does it mean that I'm now a Texas Ranger? Cheers Pal, Love Poppy xx & Sammie xx & Vera, Chuck & Dave 12:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Macca Book Inline Cites (We're Officially In Shit Street)

Who inline cited the article with books, and forgot to add the page number to each inline cite? Check Iron Maiden's "Notes" and "References" - this is how it should be done. In actual fact, this article's cites should be over the 200 mark if they were correctly cited. This is a ton of work that needs to be done, and is vital. Go check Macca's talk page for what I said. LuciferMorgan 11:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I put them in (sorry) but I recently started to put page numbers in on Jane Asher after Kingboyk told me about it. I've been ill this week so I haven't been able to work on them a lot. I'll get back to it today, or tomorrow. If we put them all in, it will definitely be over the 300 mark. Funnily enough, I actually enjoy doing it.... --andreasegde 15:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, I don't mind at all so there isn't any need to apologise. I'm just highlighting a possible reason for objection which may arise at FAC - we remove the problem, and therefore remove a possible reason for editors objecting to it recieving FA. Anyway, take your time. We're not on a schedule or anything! If you go overboard you might wear yourself out - keep enjoying it, and never let it become a chore. I'm hoping once we (well more like you and Kingboyk) get this to FA, we can look at John Lennon's article. LuciferMorgan 15:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the use of the word "we" - it is to be recommended. We now have LuciferMorgan, Very Chuck and Dave, Kingboyk and andreasegde working on this. We're all in it together. I'll get onto those pages, but it's bloody hard to keep the page open and type at the same time! I still enjoy doing it though, because I've (at last) worked out how to do it... You may have to tell me about the formatting, or I'll look at yours, so I don't mess it up. Have fun. --andreasegde 16:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You know whose messed around with the "Influences" section in the Beatles article? It looked cracking when you last edited that section, only know it looks like dog turd again. LuciferMorgan 18:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a look, but Kingboyk spots vandals from three miles away, so maybe he could have a look. --andreasegde 18:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the revert wars have broken out between the drop-ins and the vandals over there. --andreasegde 19:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Whenever we get round to bringing that article back to FA standard, that section is gonna get the scissors treatment. It's ghastly and oversized and - typically of such sections - has been used to "big up" other artists.

And, don't you think it's strange that the most influential group in history have 2 sections* on who influenced them, but there's not even a paragraph summarising the Beatles influence on popular culture article?! *actually 3 sections, cos "Changes in their music" is pretty much more of the same! --kingboyk 20:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Street or creek

We are up the creek, but with a plentiful supply of paddles. I have finished Early years, and am on Quarrymen. --andreasegde 19:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I have finished Quarrymen, and now it's The Beatles, but I want to put a little bit in about Allan Williams, without stepping on anyone's toes. --andreasegde 01:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you may need to look at the comment re Epsteins homosexuality - it appears to say that it was Eppys access to late night drinking clubs and his support for the band which negated any negativity toward his sexuality. Does the source indicate that Macca appreciated Eppys access to late night drinking clubs and his support for the band, and the fact that Eppy was gay did not matter to Macca? LessHeard vanU 21:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what he said. I didn't want to put too much in, but I could explain it a bit more, such as them knowing Epstein was "queer", but not caring about it too much. What d'think? --andreasegde 22:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

As it is a sensitive area I would suggest quoting directly from the source, with references, so negating any criticism of the article.LessHeard vanU 22:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

It was from McCartney's own words, and from Barry Miles's book, which was written with the full co-operation of McCartney. I quoted/paraphrased/referenced it exactly as was said. I see no reason (in this day and age) why it should be a sensitive area. (I noticed that it was mentioned (in passing) on Epstein's page, which I thought was 'queer', if you'll pardon the expression. :) --andreasegde 04:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

"Queer" is seen as a negative name, despite Macca using it. LuciferMorgan 17:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I noted that it was known as that back then. Things have moved on, but I see no reason to whitewash the ignorant prejudices of the past. If Macca used it, and others, as he said, then that is history, and it deserves to be mentioned. --andreasegde 17:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but I think it should only be used when quoting Macca. LuciferMorgan 22:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Fixed it. Although... I believe it is an important part of The Beatles story, because Epstein was attracted to Lennon, as has been often noted. It is an interesting side of their story that often gets overlooked. If it's really a sore point, I'll take it out. (Kingboyk has a good point when he says we have to do a critique of McCartney, as nobody will accept him as being an angel.) --andreasegde 05:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

It isn't a sore point, it's just unless you're quoting someone, I'd rather use either the words "gay" or "homosexual" in reference to Epstein. Only use "queer" when quoting. And yes NPOV is important in biographies. LuciferMorgan 01:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Paul and Wings

"McCartney insisted from the begining" etc, to "so they did not have to be apart etc, does not have to be cited twice, I'ts covered by the same source: "Lewishon P.48", and Band On The Run "Grammy" is "Lewishon P.158" Vera, Chuck & Dave&Poppyxxx

No keep your hands on please, I can't think how to put them I'm a bit stoned (he, he,) & my little "Pops", who's writing this, can't work it out, but She's pretty good for 9 eh? (say yes!) Vera, Chuck & Dave&Poppyxxx

I have done it. Thank you andreasegde. Night Night God Bless Poppy xxxx

RPJ

I see you have moved on from the JFK articles and I am sorry to bring you back. But I have initiated an RfC on RPJ, and I know you once supported him. So I am giving you notice to make any comments. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 01:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I will look at it. --andreasegde 20:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a notice that I have filed a Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:_RPJ request for arbitration concerning RPJ. Feel free to add any comments you feel are necessary. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 23:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Report

Alright Mr. Hornby? I'd laugh mate, but it would friggin kill me! I'm really quite bad at the moment I've never bin injured this bad before and am finding it hard to cope with you know what with the drugs and that - really heavy duty stuff not able to sleep much, wide awake and in pain the second they wear off. I see you got the full treatment from Pops, I told her to thank you, Ihope you were,nt embarrassed She's very sweet and they both think your'e dead funny, they're both still telling your chicken joke, in perfect unison to everyone they meet and they both still laugh after telling it! They have both taken to mothering me, they don't really understand whats happened really which is a good thing really.

They have both taken to sleeping with me and my Wife, I have one on the right, one on the left and their Mother ends up on the floor most nights, they're getting quite big now, they'll both be 10 on saturday, but what can you do, except thank God for em?

Give my best wishes to King bonk an everyone, and look after yerself OK? Take care Pal, hope i'm back soon. Very Best Wishes, Tony

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Where'd you go? LuciferMorgan 17:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm back. I had to go and get inebriated with my better half, and consumate our relationship. (Nudge nudge, wink, wink...) --andreasegde 19:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Macca

User:Lincher sent me some McCartney articles by email. Did you get them too? If not I'll forward them to you. --kingboyk 17:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I saw them, but you can send them - thanks. --andreasegde 17:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm a Pair of curtains!

Alright La! And there's me thinking you were the famous Sean de Garde! Speaking of Docs, I saw him today and he says I can start bashing away again for about 20 mins a day. I'm feeling a bit better & the pain's not too bad now, so when I make any contribs they better be good ones. And now for the good news: Celtic 1 Mancs 0! Let me know if I can help with anything. Cheers mate, Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The truth is out

Bugger...

Your'e Stuck?

Your'e pullin me leg, La! Stuck? Where? I've just read it and I think it's BRILLIANT. In all honesty, I can't think of anything that could improve that, I don't fully understand what is required for FA status, but if that don't get a gold star I'll start supporting the Mancs!

I hope this helps, but if not, be more specific and we can put our heads together, I can't write for too long as yet, but I can still just about think, I think!

Oh, before Wingspan goes back, there's a great Macca quote on Page 9 that I think you'll like or may be able to incorperate, here there or anywhere appertaining to The Fabs as follows: "The Beatles had a meeting to sign a new deal with Capitol Records. We were sitting around in this rather tense atmosphere and I was saying, I think we should go back on the road, go back to our roots. We should just go out and play together. And John looked me in the eye and said, I think you're mad!". Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 09:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC) Sorry, Forgot to say that I take this to be the main reason that he formed Wings, the others were content to just keep knocking out records Paul felt a great need to get out of studios and do some work, and let the fans see them. Vera, Chuck & Dave 10:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright O famous one? Yeah ta, I'm a little better although I'm still on the Gear which helps a great deal, but it sort of makes you dream when your'e awake and you don't dream when your'e sleeping! Now the only pages from Wingspan that are not cited are: "I wrote Give Ireland Back To the Irish.......It'll be banned and of course it was". PAGE 40. Mull Of Kintyre: "I certainly loved Scotland enough.....and wanting to get back there". PAGE.129.

If you spot any more gissa bell and I'll send 'em over. Cheers La. Vera, Chuck & Dave 12:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I watched the Tube thingy, isn't Mary a luvley girl? Vera, Chuck & Dave

Thanks for putting them in. I'm a poet an didn't know it! I don't think it's down to genes though, it's the drugs man! BTW, your lot are leading 1-0 (Blake 3min), My lot 0-0 at present. Cheers La, take care. Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)