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Malformatted AFD nominations edit
The two nominations for deletion that you started were not properly formatted. I have fixed the formatting and completed the process in this instance, but in future please take greater care and read and follow the instructions listed here. It also appears that you put up these pages for deletion in retaliation for an article you have edited being so nominated. Please read WP:POINT and don't indulge in such disruptive editing from now on. Abecedare (talk) 09:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. It was not in retaliation. I have been surfing on Wiki for a quite some time and not able to find reasons foe some articles staying here without notability. At least when I did so, the Faraaz Kazi put deletion is being fixed. If they can do so- it is good for Wiki. I am still learning many things. like in Rashmi Singh(author)'s page deletion debate, I have myself been asking quite a lot of questions for (TW) recent reverts. Can you reply there?Ananyaprasad (talk) 10:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Stop it, please edit
Yet again, you are adding poor sources to Rashmi Singh (author). How many more times must you be told this? Worse still, the source added here does even even say what you claim. You could mention that she got a potted plant from the school (please don't!) but not that she is a "motivator" - she was invited to open something, which is really no big deal at all. - Sitush (talk) 13:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Is there any way that we can start over here? You have had a lot of explanations about things on a lot of talk pages over quite a long time now but you still seem not to be understanding how we do things. That said, I don't think this is something that you are doing deliberately. Can we perhaps break down the various issues into small chunks and resolve them one at a time? - Sitush (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sitush You have actually misunderstood. She was there to hoist flag nad spoke to the students. In it is clearly written ' The guest congratulated the students and expressed that Independence day for her is a symbol of Patriotism and celebrating this day means remembering those who sacrificed their lives to make India free from British rule. She advised the students to be well read , well informed and stay grounded. The programme culminated with a high feelings of patriotism.' Now tell me what does it mean? You think a non notable person will be anywhere in the world called to motivate the students and hoist the flag? Potted plant in India is given to the Prez as well. This is our kind of tradition.Ananyaprasad (talk) 13:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- She wasn't opening up anything which you have imagined on your own she was hoisting the flag- Indian flag which only renowned people of India can touch. It is written 'The flag hoisting was done by the chief guest of the day Ms. Rashmi Singh which was followed by National Anthem and pledge for the country.' Yes I am not doing deliberately- this you have got it correct as I read the content then find a correct word for it. You have not read the content and thought she had gone their to open up something- Ryan group is one of the most prestigious group of inst in India- this all knowAnanyaprasad (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sitush If you do not say anything, I'll add again. I am waiting for your reply. Give reasons how you are thinking she was opening up something there? when it is clearly written 'noted author hoisted Indian flag. Isn't then she a motivator? notable?'Ananyaprasad (talk) 13:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Open something, raise a flag, tell the kids to keep up with their studies etc - it really doesn't matter which it might be. It is just the most inane trivia and has no place on Wikipedia. Local celebrities etc do such things, it aids their publicity agenda/keeps them in the limelight but really doesn't amount to anything of note (except perhaps for the kids, some of whom will remember her name for a couple of weeks). Just think how many shops some celebrities have opened, for example: do you really think that we should list them all? We are not an indiscriminate collection of facts.
The other concern with that particular contribution was that you cannot draw your own conclusion (that she is a "motivator"). There are indeed people who make a living from motivational speaking or who otherwise do it frequently & are known for it, but one swallow does not make a summer. - Sitush (talk) 14:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- And you deleted the ISBN of 2 books of hers because they are not present on Amazon? They are- I hv put the links of Amazon thereAnanyaprasad (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- And (talk reliable sources like from The Economic Times can't be deleted because it was also there in the first draft. This is absurd and kind of hounding Ananyaprasad (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Plkease revert this. We do not link to Amazon, which is considered to be WP:LINKSPAM. All you have to do is add the correct ISBN. The ones that were in there and which I removed appeared to be invalid - they were not recognised by Google Books, Amazon or WorldCat. I really do think that you need to slow down and discuss things before adding them because you are making a right mess of this. - Sitush (talk) 15:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- (talk) Can goodreads links be posted. I have seen in many articles- even in Faaraz Kazi, you left them? And deleted in this one Rashmi Singh(authorAnanyaprasad (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
And why are u asking to revert the Economic Times link? She has been praised there for her work as a debut writer. Infact the more callous deletions you'll make- the more mess will be created. Don't go by 'appeared to be invalid' and delete ISBN's If you'll do this oviously we'll have to put in links to prove. Before deleting you could have also aked here, if it has alink on Amazon etc or not? Why straight away to deletions? Ananyaprasad (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- I think that the Kazi article will probably be deleted unless something turns up about those awards. I'm still looking around before !voting (contrary to what you might think, I do check). Goodreads is a bit messy - sometimes might be ok, other times not. In any event, a citation to verify that a modern book has been published is unnecessary. All you need is a valid isbn (and Indian publishers have used the isbn system for a few years now, so that should not be a problem). I'm not explaining the Economic Times stuff to you again because I'm sure that it has been explained before: perhaps check the original AfD and note what has been said about book reviews in the present AfD? - Sitush (talk) 15:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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- btw i no more want to stay on Wikipedia, cause as long as couple of editors are present here, I won't be able to create anything. as whatever I create before anyone other editors can review it- these 4-5 put it for either speedy deletion or deletion. . My policy is to pick up one topic- authors and then learn. I have picked 3 at present but not able to work Abecedare Can you help deleting my account? I am fed up Ananyaprasad (talk) 03:14, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Ananya,I can understand that you believe that you are having a difficult time here due to a few editors, but honestly the problems you are facing are primarily due to your contributions clashing with wikipedia policies on notability, quality sourcingand neutral presentation. And while it is fine in general to focus ones wikipedia editing on a topic of ones choice, if that topic is determined to be non-notable per wikipedia standards, then continuing to edit in that area is going to be very frustrating. And if you have any personal real-world or emotional involvement with that subject then the experience can be quite unpleasant (for example, if I were to write an article on my grandfather here on wikipedia, I would likely feel hurt and insulted to hear "random wikipedia editors" refer to him as non-notable and pooh-pooh the importance of his life's work and influence). So my recommendations to you are:
- Take a break from wikipedia if you need to.
- Remember that wikipedia ≠ internet. If a subject interest you, feel free to create a blog or website on it. That way you have complete control on the content and presentation.
- When you return try contribution to existing articles (instead of creating new ones) till you are well-versed in wikipedia policies, norms and editing culture.
- On wikipedia, edit in areas that interest you but pick those that you are less vested in. And diversify your edits, at least a bit.
Hopefully these tips will make your editing experience more pleasant and fruitful. Cheers.Abecedare (talk) 04:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedpost_%28book%29 It hardly had anything. I added one source- made the reflist. and in Secon thoughts also ofShobhaa De But was just wondering these books did not even had a single source until I added and still were on Wiki- Can u pls explain Abecedare. I want to learn and know- Only the notability of the author makes her books notable? Actually what I felt I wrote that I am being chased otherwise if Wikipedians are so much concerned abt Wiki- must go on all books one by one n check sources. Ananyaprasad (talk) 05:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
This was a good edit, and the type of contributions that you could focus on given your interest! As to your question regarding notability:
- While wikipedia has uniform standards, due to the projects vast and decentralized nature these standards are not always uniformly applied. Article and content failing wikipedia policies can unfortunately persist for years. However this is not an argument for ignoring those established standards in any particular case. See WP:OSE for further discussion of this point.
- For articles on books the relevant standard of notability is WP:NBOOK. I haven't looked at the particular book Speedpost yet, but it is likely that any book written by Shobha De would have been reviewed by multiple mainstream publications (like the India Today article you found): so the book possibly meets the first listed criterion for notability listed at WP:NBOOK. Also Shobha De, besides being a famous and best-selling genre author, has also been the subject of critical appraisal by scholars, especially from a feminist viewpoint: so the book also arguably meets the fifth listed criterion (although this would be a borderline case).
Wikipedia's article on Shobhaa De is in very poor state. So if you want to help improve it, your efforts are likely to be welcomed. These search links should help you get started, Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. Abecedare (talk) 06:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- As I know after this Vigyani, Zananiri, Spaceman Spiff and one or two like K7L will come to delete this article. There is complete group after me- even if I come after one year- make any article as Usha Kiran Khan was done but recreated. So best to delete my account. Can you please let me know the forum, where I can write about this?Ananyaprasad (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I also want to know this that Wiki consists of how many editors as only 5-7 same editors are WP:Hounding ( The Hound of of the Baskervilles ) trained ones!! Want now to create this article on Arthur Conan Doyle's book as upon whatever I do these editors are ready to hound. I want to see other editors too. Really surprised at Wikipedian's etiquette If I am wrong let completely different sets of editors work on it - why same ones repeatedly??? I only wished Coffee should have also understood this.Ananyaprasad (talk) 06:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- As I mentioned above I believe your suspicion of hounding is without merit. But I doubt that I can say anything that will convince you of this, since conspiracy theories are self-justifying and anyone arguing against them is assumed to be either naive or part of the conspiracy. :)
- For recommendations of a blog/web-host, you could post a question at wikipedia's computing reference desk outlining what you are looking for.
- And, if you still feel that you want to "leave" wikipedia, you can simply stop editing (see WP:RETIRE). Wikipedia accounts/contributions are not typically deleted, but look at WP:VANISH for some intermediate measures that can be taken; FWIW I think this would be an an overreaction, but it is your choice. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 06:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Abecedare let others decide they are tracking or not. Their edits and tagging are there to prove it. And these 3 authors btw are not my grandmothers either!! Has Wikipedia fallen short of editors? Ananyaprasad (talk) 06:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC) Track their contributions to Wiki and you'll come to know! How many times they have been onto my work as compared to others. Why so much of brain racking?? Ananyaprasad (talk) 06:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Next Vigyani will post delete, after him Zananiri, then K7L, then 1 or 2 more ( of their group) then Spacemanspiff will delete. But now as I have written they might change their minds Ananyaprasad (talk) 07:26, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I can vouch for it as the group here had time for 1 article nominated for deletion created by Spacemanspiff and a consensus was quickly reached but the SAME GROUP did not have time for Faraaz Kazi but HAD TIME TO TRACK ME! NO time even to relist it!! Coffee pls chk this Ananyaprasad (talk) 07:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC) Infact 2 deletions were proposed by Sitush and put into action by Spacemanship and his group, Even abecedare is a part of it as this time nomination was put by him and immediately seconded by Sitush! Indeed very strange that all other editors sleep on Wiki.Ananyaprasad (talk) 14:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- I wonder where the other members of the 'Gang' tracking me has hidden!! Probably preparing another group via emails to hound the article as I have openly named them- and I do not have to lose any thing as the author of the book is neither my grandmother or mother- so sad but true!! Waitning for the new members of the gang. Actually I have started enjoying this now- I mean the stupid game played here. The most they'll do is to get me blocked as Vigyani had threatened me once. He can do so also as Spacemanspiff is his friend. And Vigyani had shouted 'Checking of socking is complete. THere is an indication of Socking' And Sitush had put in for sock puppetry checking. They are playing 'friends and foes'- a new game on Wikipedia. And if I am wrong, their edits can be checked (but mind you, as I have named them, they are quiet and not making any). Next I'll again get a threat to be blocked. Who wants to stay here and work for aunties Ananyaprasad (talk) 03:06, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- As predicted Zananiri has arrived! Waiting for others!Ananyaprasad (talk) 03:06, 10 November 2013 (UTC)