Ahmed Moustafa 23

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meco (talk) 13:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Meco. Ahmed Moustafa 23 (talk) 16:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:F. W. Bateson, Wordsworth - A Re-Interpretation, p 153 (Longman 1954).jpg

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Me thinks the scan is for the chop ;) Thanks for uploading anyway, have saved a copy and will take a look. Ceoil (talk) 17:53, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, Ceoil. Always nice to hear from you. Didn't think the scan would last. I didn't edit the article - leave that to whatever you decide. Bateson's book really intersting. I'll have a read and contribute an article about it in due course. Personally I think he was basically right about William and Dorothy. Ahmed Moustafa 23 (talk) 18:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah a lot of the sources make that point, but I have seen in more than one - and this is going back a few years - that he found the atmosphere in Germany claustrophobic and had been "fustrated" at times, with Dorothy. But my memory is not what it was, and many of those sources were borrowed at the time, though I still have a few. Sorry once again at being slow with this; lets see what you find and I'll leaf back through what I have. Ottava who contributed the lions share of the page has been on holiday from here for a while, but I'll ping him. He has a good grasp of the material, in fairness. Ceoil (talk) 19:28, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Annoyingly the scan was chopped. The other source cited in the article (i.e. The Lucy poems) is I think, without checking, the Matlake "psycho-biography" that DaftOldBat mentions, a minor Jesuit academic without significant publication and his text so obscure you need to belong to something like JStor to access it. None of the three standard biographies (Moorman, Gill, Davies) suggest anything of the sort. The difficulty with Goslar was that the local community were not inclined to accept that Dorothy was W's sister but rather suspected she was a lover, compounded no doubt by the Wordsworths' evident affection for each other, and so they weren't invited into polite company, or indeed any company I can well imagine. In that sense it was claustrophobic no doubt (as well as bitterly cold to the point they could not venture out), but in the established sources there was never any suggestion of 'frustration' on W's part with his sister: even in the last few months of his life, sadly distressed by the death from tuberculosis of his beloved daughter Dora, he gained consolation from tending to Dorothy, prematurely afflicted by dementia for many years following a bout of ill-health. He wrote some of his best poetry at Goslar: that doesn't square with domestic discord, and incidentally it's rather hard to conceive what exactly it is in the Lucy poems that suggests frustration with anyone, let alone his sister Dorothy. One of the biographies, I can't remember which, makes the interesting suggestion that W might have been nervous of the strength of Dorothy's affection for him (her diaries contain one or two passages recording disarmingly frank pleasure at snuggling down under the coach blanket with him sort things, and famously she couldn't bear to be present at his wedding to Mary Hutchinson - she slept with the wedding ring the night before ... oh dear oh dear :)), but that's the only suggestion of tension I can recall in the bios.

I feel a little sorry for Dorothy fans. However I don't want to impose my views on the article: just carrying on the conversation. Ahmed Moustafa 23 (talk) 21:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Re disappearing imgs, [1]. I had a far preferable img, the correct tones, the lines very well reproduced, had sharpness, and was with the frame, but no, cant have that. Fustration how are you.

All the above is very interesting, you have distelled it well with a nice line in your own insight. That kind of writing we dont see too often here. If you focued you energies there rather than being such a troublesome worry to us sensitive souls, well, you already know what I think about that. Best anyway, you old fool. Ceoil (talk) 00:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it must be very annoying when you put a better image up and someone deletes it.

Not sure quite what you refer to your second para. Old fool would be about right though, got my number there okay. Best as well. Ahmed Moustafa 23 (talk) 01:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Out of interest, how far does your interest in art history extend? I like the cut of your gib, you have a great skill with words, would like to work with you at some stage on something. Ceoil (talk) 21:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Not at all far, and certainly nothing remotely to compare with you or Modernist. I am afraid you would find me a lot more trouble than I was worth and I don't have access to a decent library where I live. It's true I can write passable English on a good day but the truth is there's really nothing original in my head to record. Wasted, really. I don't expect to be contributing any content to Wikipedia in the near future. Nice idea though, but I suspect we are just too far apart. Ahmed Moustafa 23 (talk) 21:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Whatever, I've been knocked backed before and have had worse from better. I suspect I'll be able to hobble on regarless. Night anyway and be good. Ceoil (talk) 22:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)