User talk:A Train/Archive VII

AFD

I would like you to re-consider your vote on AFD for the Grand Cities Mall. There actually IS a claim of notability. The mall was the first ever mall in the entire state of North Dakota. The article also cites its sources. Please consider changing your vote to keep. Weatherman90 20:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Patroclus

I don't know whether the familial relationship is specifically attested in Homer or not, but the details of the relationship are at Achilles and Patroclus#Genealogy and familial relationship. It might be from Hesiod, or from the Kypria. I'm going away this weekend, but when I get back I'll find a specific citation for you. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I haven't found a definitive ancient source for the genealogy yet, but the Oxford Classical Dictionary supports Aegina (mythology) as the common ancestor of Achilles and Patroclus; she was Menoetius' mother and Peleus' paternal grandmother. I feel like there should be something supporting that in Apollodorus' Library, but I have only the second volume of the Loeb edition of that in hard copy, and the Perseus Project is giving me difficulty. Frustratingly, the index of Apollodorus vol. II (Loeb edition) says that there's a mention of Actor (Menoetius' father) on page 97 of the first volume; if you have access to a copy of that, you could check to see if it also mentions Menoetius' mother as being Aegina.

The familial relationship is pretty distant anyhow; Aegina had Menoetius by Actor, and Aeacus by Zeus, so they'd be "half-first cousins once removed" if the English language made such a distinction. (I think other languages do.)

Interestingly, Apollodorus gives four different possibilities for the identity of Patroclus' mother. One of the four is Polymele, daughter of Peleus; if you go with that version of Patroclus' parentage, then in addition to being Achilles' first cousin once removed (on the side of Menoetius), Patroclus would also be his nephew!

Ultimately, all these genealogies are a bit random, since different ancient mythographers had conflicting ideas about who was related to whom and how. It probably reflects differences in the stories over geography and time. But I don't think that the notion that Achilles and Patroclus were kinsmen (as well as great friends and whatever else) is controversial. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phase I clone trooper armor

Hi. Just wanted to let you know that you left Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phase I clone trooper armor in the current AfD debates category after closing it. Cheers. Pascal.Tesson 16:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Robert ÆOLUS Myers

Greetings. I have posted something to User talk:Hiiaka for the Robert ÆOLUS Myers article, but this might be the better place for a communiqué. I am curious RE the ongoing life of the article and unclear RE AFD protocols that might determine its staying or going. If you are the lone nay vote, I ask that you reconsider. If it goes onto a larger forum for review in lieu of dying with a single thumbs down, that would be down right democratic as well. I would like to see it stand, so any advice as to what can be done to further its continued life would be appreciated. Hiiaka 05:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Would you be so kind as to revisit comments placed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert ÆOLUS Myers and reconsider your vote.Hiiaka 20:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

chick corea

Hello

can you please review the Chick Corea wiki entry, there appears to be blatant use of this profile to publicise scientology. The page now has a direct link to the German scientology website as well as a scientology video. I find this objectionable.

Please take a look.

Thanks

damian.

Survey Q

Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere? Respond here Deadline for entries is December 15th, PST. AstroBoy 03:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a little greeting

Hi! It's nice to see you around here again! (I realized after 2 months). This message has no seriousness except it carries hope, that even if we can not work so hard on the project as we fancied ones, we do not need to abandon this wonderfull project completely. Have a nice day! and have a smile! With greetings. Reo ^ON | +++ 17:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Kizzle's RfA

Ignoring all rules is good. However, when it comes to a formal process like RfA, we should try to follow them. Those questions exist for good reasons: they provide information vital RfA contributors to render a decision. I wouldn't oppose soly because of that. My main problem was the vandalism. I have a hard time trusting a person with the admin tools if they're going to abuse the ability to edit pages. -- Selmo ^(talk) 22:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree with you about the questions, but I do see your point of view. And the "vandalism" was perplexing, to say the least. A Train ^{take the} 23:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

22113letitsnow

They're at it again after I removed their chat. This is NOT MySpace. I'm sensing a strange feeling that either Taylor Kitsch or Steven Strait are chatting with these people--but I have a hunch that that's a stupid thing to think. In case you missed it, there was a chat vandal, Beccaboo 06 from a month ago that was blocked indefinitely just because of the irrelevant chat. I think it's time for some administrators to intervene with the inappropriate behavior which will NOT be tolerated here. What template should we use to inform them of this behavior besides the "seriously" (joking) template? --WTGDMan1986 (D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams) 14:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a perfect template for this situation. At any rate, I'm watching them. A Train ^{take the} 14:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

And I see they're STILL doing it, and reverting our edits, as probably ordered by Taylor Kitsch and Steven Strait. I had to revert their little chat AGAIN, probably (excuse my foul language) pissing Taylor and Steven off, which makes Jun Kazama happy to hit them with (WS)2,1,1,1,2,3,4,3,3,4 (10-hit combo) until they are K.O.'ed (sorry for the imaginative thinking--I am a writer, you know) and make them learn the error of their ways. They're acting like Beccaboo 06, which makes administrators angry. Wikipedia is not a place for replays of previous months for vandals like Beccaboo 06. --WTGDMan1986 (D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams) 15:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey there WTGD, I just dropped you a line over on your talk page. A Train ^{take the} 15:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

I answered optional question #6. The duck test is cool. ~Crazytales56297 | t+c 21:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for indulging me, Crazytales. Sorry I'm not casting in your favor this time, but don't let that stop you from trying again further down the road. A Train ^{take the} 17:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA. I decided to end it; more time is needed, and I probably need a bit more experience. From here, I think I'll look at community discussion, AfD and the like. I will try to improve in the areas of concern, and thanks to everyone who supplied feedback. -- Selmo (talk) 06:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

I think it must be that I've just been doing little minor edits here and there that no one got round to welcoming me before, make me feel so much more part of the community now. yay. Thanks for the links, good having them all in the same place rather than having to keep searching for them Struds 23:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

My recent RfA

Thank you for considering my RfA. It was a very humbling yet surprisingly gratifying experience. I am grateful for all the constructive comments that will undoubtedly make me a better contributer, and hopefully a stronger candidate in the future. Grika 14:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Werner Herzog

Hi,

Are you sure that it's Herzog's mother, not father, that is of Croat descent? I trust that you have the source, I just wanted to double-check.--GunnarRene 02:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey Gunnar-

Here's the text from the December issue of Harper's Magazine: "Born Werner Stipetic in Munich in 1942, Herzog grew up in a lonely mountain village in Bavaria with a doting Croatian mother and an absent father." That certainly doesn't rule out a Croat father, but it's pretty unequivocal as to the mother's ethnicity.

I get Harper's every month, so if there's a correction in the January issue, I'll be sure to amend the article. A Train ^{take the} 14:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Haha. This makes for a hilarious update to WP:LAME. --GunnarRene 14:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

My Request for Adminship

A Train/Archive VII

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Thanks for your support on my successful Request for Adminship (final result 78 Support /0 Oppose / 1 Neutral) I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. I will be slowly acclimating myself to my new tools over the next months. I am humbled by your kind support and would certainly welcome any feedback on my actions. Please do not hesitate to contact me. Once again, many thanks and happy new year! All the best, Asterion^talk 13:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

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User:Niohe

User:Niohe has been frequently and repeatedly engaged in deleting relevant and valuable historical images from various articles, depite numerous warnings.

Some of User:Niohe's acts of vandalism:

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This user must be blocked indefinitely before he/she will do any more damage.

Highshines 01:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Unity Area Ambulance AfD

I would be grateful if you could reconsider your vote for the UK Ambulance services that were bundled up with the nomination for Unity Area Ambulance - these are notable organisations in the UK (see my comment on the AfD page) - and I have added a few references to Staffordshire Ambulance Service to demonstrate this, but the same applies to all the regional ambulance services. Madmedea 23:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I will definitely take another look at the case today or tomorrow, Madmedea. Great (if a touch redundant) username, by the way :) A Train ^{take the} 19:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I've had a good look, and while I'm not 100% certain that these are notable, it's more than clear that these articles shouldn't be thrown together in one RfA like this. Thanks for your clarification, Madmedea. A Train ^{take the} 17:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Please take a look at that. The debate ended with the votes being 3 for keep and 3 for delete, but they ended up getting deleted anyways for some reason. Eric 21:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:UFOs

• Good point! I will rename it, but I rather keep the Template:UFOs link just as it is because it is easy to write out and very easy to remember and its more likely to hit peoples mind when they need to look up a UFO template. -nima baghaei 18:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• Right on. See you around, Nima. A Train ^{take the} 18:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

an afd

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WarCry (website) (2nd nomination), did you note that the nominator reversed and voted keep? Considering that, do you believe it still falls as delete? — coelacan talk — 22:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Coelacan, I did take that into account when I closed out the decision. I took an unusual step and made some notes for posterity's sake on the AfD's talk page that you can read, and I'm happy to talk about it more with you if you want to get deeper into my head about it. If you feel I acted without warrant, then by all means take it over to WP:DRV. A Train ^{take the} 23:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me, Coelacan; I've mislead you. I did not, as suggested above, elucidate my thinking on that AfD's talk page. I closed out a number of similar AfDs that day, and the one that I was thinking about was Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ten Ton Hammer, not WarCry. I apologize for any confusion.

That said, rest assured that I did consider all comments, including the change of heart by the nominator when I closed the AfD. As I said before, by all means bring the deletion over to WP:DRV if you feel so inclined. Sorry again for the confusion. A Train ^{take the} 21:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Righto. I don't see a need to drag it through DRV, as I believe that if you took that into consideration, then it was closed properly. I think there's some more work that can be done on the article, though. Could you restore it to my userspace where I can work on it for a week or so, with the provision that when I move it into article space, I will immediately relist it at AFD? If it doesn't pass then, then that'll be the end of it. — coelacan talk — 22:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be more than happy to do that, Coelacan. It'll be waiting for you at User:Coelacan/Warcry. A Train ^{take the} 19:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! =) — coelacan talk — 23:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Angie Phillips

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Angie Phillips. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Hi. I predicted this article would be deleted and you made the correct decision following consensus. I opened up a DRV on this since references establishing notability were found after all the delete votes and think it should at least have a review. Thanks! --Oakshade 23:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Per discussion in the deletion review, it was suggested that a request of the AfD closing admin that the AfD be extended is a good course of action. So I'm making that formal request now; Can this AfD be extended to allow further review with the reference updates? Thank you. --Oakshade 02:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Oakshade. I've relisted the article as per your request. A Train ^{take the} 19:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Smug

Why are you continually redirecting the entry "smug" to "snob"? They have different meanings and are different parts of language- smug is an adjective and snob is a noun. 140.107.63.220 19:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. A Train ^{take the} 22:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I just went and had a look at Smug, and I see that it redirects to Snob, which is less than ideal, I suppose. I reverted you once, and other editors have reverted you other times because you continually replace the redirect with two words: "overly self-satisfied". You're not even bothering to make a sentence. ::Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and therefore simple dictionary definitions are not acceptable as articles. I realize that "smug" and "snob" are at best casually related to one another, and perhaps we should consider deleting the page for "smug" entirely. If there's a better article that we should redirect Smug to, I'd be happy to discuss it with you. If you'd like to help with dictionary definitions, have a look at Wiktionary. But at no point should a Wikipedia page consist solely of a dictionary definition. A Train ^{take the} 22:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

As the smug turns: Looking through things with a finer-toothed comb, I found that this article's existence was debated once back in '05, and a strong consensus was found to delete it for much the same reasons I elucidated above. So this is now a fairly moot argument, and I've deleted the article. Cheers, A Train ^{take the} 18:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I didn't realize that definitions were not allowed. (although I don't see why they shouldn't be, but I'll read up on that.) More on the Smug definition: It looks like someone DID start a "smug" page which talked about a Simpson's episode, I believe. This was also deleted- although it seems to me like that sorrt of information is what the wiki collects.

Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for adding the wikilinks to the article that I wrote last night for Atransferrinemia. I really appreciate it. It was my first full article start to finish, and I'm learning as I go. I learned a lot from your edits! Thanks a bunch! Cheers! WiiAlbanyGirl 19:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely! It was my pleasure. I learned quite a bit from your interesting article, too. Keep on with your great contributions, AlbanyGirl. A Train ^{take the} 19:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Since I find you to be the only person that I can ask for Wiki advice thus far, would you mind, whenever you have a spare moment, would you mind browsing my newly created article on Muenke_syndrome? I began it, but if you see anything that could be added to it, I would be more than happy to do it. Of course, whenever you have the time. I know you're extremely busy! Thanks again. WiiAlbanyGirl 23:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Propellers vs Turboprops?

Welcome back - I'm also on a reasonably limited basis here, and I've pulled out of WP:AIR due to the increasing level of bike shed bureaucracy.

Regardless, as far as the categories go - I would say that propeller aircraft could conceivably include all prop aircraft, but it might be worth organizing it with subcategories. For example, turboprop aircraft and radial-engine aircraft would be children of the overarching propeller category. I don't think the category is empty because of distinctions; I think it's because of people never bothering to sort it. Anyway, might be worth bringing up with the category guys, or you might want to just start filing things as appropriate. I'd probably support whichever route you took! Have a good one. ericg ✈ 19:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

My RFC, which you archived

Hello, A Train. I noticed that you have archived the RFC I filed on myself, because I filed an editor review. Have you considered that someone may stumble on the archived RFC and wish to comment, but not know that I have filed an ER? Please provide a prominent link to my ER in the archived RFC. I have not received any feedback from my ER - consider providing some advice. Thanks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 02:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

input sought

In a message to several recent editors of Schiavo-related pages, I write that: Input is sought here: Talk:Government_involvement_in_the_Terri_Schiavo_case#Edit_War_between_me_and_User:Calton.

--GordonWatts 15:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Gordon, if I edited Terri Schiavo recently, it was a vandalism revert. I don't have the time or inclination at the moment to get involved with that right now. A Train ^{take the} 17:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops

I don't know, you claim to be an admin and I nominated you, but your name is not in RFA either because you had it when WP was created and you received one without process (as a gift). Uninsureddriver 21:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• I deleted the RfA since A Train is already an admin. --Durin 21:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

  Hola Fernando, apesadumbrado hice eso, me perdono por favor. Uninsureddriver 21:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Ummm... ok. I'm going to leave you a note on your talk page a little later. A Train ^{take the} 17:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Protecting my baby (aka first article)

As you know, your assistance in atransferrinemia was greatly appreciated, and with your help, it got on the main page under Did you Know on 2/12! Thanks a bunch! I do have a question for you. Lately, I suppose since because it was on the mainpage, there have been a few unsubstantiated edits to this page, with people changing the number of total cases of the disorder. The issue with this is that they are from non-academic sources. There is one study done by Beutler et al. in 2000 (stated in the 2nd external link) that is the only credible material that I have found to show that there truly is only 8 cases in 6 families worldwide. The person who changed the numbers stated sources that didn't even contain this data. I know my article is temporarily protected, but only until today. Is there a procedure to permanently protect it from vandelism, or at least for a little longer than until tomorrow, or should I wait until more people mess it up? Thanks for your help! WiiAlbanyGirl 05:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi WAG. There's a couple of things you can do to try to keep unsubstantiated edits from making their way into the article.

• You can put invisible comments into the text near where the number of cases is stated, reminding editors that they need to cite sources before making changes. It's a good idea to make an entry on the article's talk page explaining why you think your source is the most reliable one. Remember, other editors have just as much of a right to edit the article as you do.
• The above will only work on well-meaning editors, of course. Vandals are another problem. You should assume good faith whenever possible, but if another editor is making edits that you think are detrimental, discuss it with them on their user talk page. If things get to a point where you think it's beyond control, post about it at the Administrator's incidents noticeboard. If your problem edits are mostly coming from anonymous IP addresses, then request that the article be semi-protected for a little while at WP:RFP. Protection and semi-protection are intended to be temporary, so there's no way to keep the article protected for long periods without good cause. The whole point of the encyclopedia is that anyone can edit it, so the conventional wisdom on page protection is that it should be a last resort. You can read more about that at Wikipedia:Protection policy.

Feel free to come to me if you think you need a hand, but I'm not always around, especially not during the school year, and almost never on the weekends. I've added atransferrinemia to my watchlist and I'll help, too whenever I can. Remember this above all: that article is your baby, and you've got every reason to be proud of it and yourself, but you don't own it. Once it's on Wikipedia, it belongs to everybody. Keep up the good work, WAG, and keep having fun. A Train ^{take the} 17:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Is this users actions allowed?

• Hey there (:O) ... we have an ongoing debate over here on the status of an article. Now the thing I wanted to bring up was the editing and removal and well forceful rhetoric stating the result of the debate before it has even been decided. The one causing all this is User:Ideogram. I have tried so hard to be loving and understanding during this debate, but now I dont know if what the user is doing is right or wrong. I dont know who to go to, so I figure I may ask someone who is very familiar with the wikipedia world and how this should be dealt with maybe? Not sure. Please help. (:O) ---nima baghaei (talk) 03:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, Nima. I can see that you're a bit upset by Ideogram's actions over there from the way you're canvassing admins for backup. I had a look at the AfD, and although Ideogram is being a little brusque in his manner, he's not doing anything wrong. I personally agree with his position; most of the article's references are in Chinese, which doesn't do much good for an English encyclopedia.

Don't worry too much about it. I know that UFO studies are your pet subject, but even if that article ends up getting deleted, you can always take the time to find some more references in English and see if you can't make a good case for its notability. Deletion isn't the end of the world. If you want, let me know if the article does get deleted next week and I'll copy it into your userspace so you can keep working on it until it's ready for prime time. A Train ^{take the} 04:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you please suggest to Nima that this is not a good idea. --Ideogram 04:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you leave a note on the AFD requesting the closing admin to move/copy the article to Nima's user space if it gets deleted? --Ideogram 07:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Problem user

Hey A Train, Thanks for the note about those 3 users, I've left a reply on AN/I saying that I'm willing to give it ago, my only problem is, which one to go for?! They do seam like socks of each other, but at the minute I don't see that as a problem as they aren't being too disruptive. Your help in which one pick would be much appreciated RyanPostlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 17:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

AFD

I am well aware of how to vote in an AFD- and my comments are perfectly valid in that context. Astrotrain 16:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

-replied at Astrotrain's talk page - A Train ^{take the} 16:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

...for a polite follow up; sometimes I can get a little mechanical. And great name, by the way. Cheers, Dar-Ape 21:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

'tis a pleasure. And a tip of the hat to you, a (suspected) fellow New Yorker. A Train ^{take the} 21:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

From NY?

You name sound like the A Train pictured to the right from the NYC Subway. Are you from New York City? BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 10:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

image

Hi!

What I meant by WP:NOT#LIST is under section 2 of WP:NOT#DICTIONARY it is about list, I just accidentaly made the wrong link, hope you understand and happy editing!Tellyaddict 10:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)