184.153.38.168

Edit-warring on Dave Rubin

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May 2019

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Dave Rubin; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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July 2019

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August 2019

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at People's Action Party, you may be blocked from editing. From AnUnnamedUser ^{(open talk page)} 21:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Ad Orientem (talk) 05:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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Request reason:

In my frank judgement, the two edits that resulted in my being blocked offered perfectly sensible and disinterested emendations. In the case of the Democratic Party (Hong Kong), the form of putative "liberalism" practiced by Hayek and others is typically called "neoliberalism," coined as a tongue-and-cheek term by authentic classical liberals who decried Hayek and his colleagues as neither "new" nor "liberal." Noam Chomsky and others have perorated on the striking dissimilarity of "neoliberalism" from classical liberal values (e.g., the defense of the former of private tyranny and wage slavery). In the case of the People's Action Party, I merely wished to note that neoliberal policies have not become universally "popular," but more commonly applied by the party itself, quite apart from the opinion of the general population. Please reinstate my editing capabilities. Thank you.

Decline reason:

Please address the issues raised by Ad Orientem in the admin note below. -- Dlohcierekim 16:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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 Administrator note As the blocking administrator I am opposed to unblocking this user. They have a record of persistently disruptive POV and and unsourced editing. Their unblock request makes it clear that they either do not understand or care about how we build articles and our guidelines including WP:CITE and WP:NPOV. I would caution the user that if this pattern of behavior resumes after the current block expires that they are likely to be swiftly reblocked for a much longer duration. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I firmly submit that my edits have been unfairly interpreted by the administrator above. I stand by my edits as straightforwardly factual and as lending clarity to the subjects for which I introduced them.

Decline reason:

You are entitled to your opinion, but until you address the sourcing issues, you won't be unblocked early. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 19:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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Bavarian Soviet Republic

In my recent efforts at clarity etc ("→‎Aftermath: clarification / focus - sentence-splitting, reordering and rephrasing"), I was uneasily aware tht there just weren’t any references cited. I couldn’t do much about that, and I aimed only at retaining the existing meaning while improving clarity and style. Your work since then does change the meaning - making it less emphatic. And your new opening phrase, According to conservative historians, does rather highlight the need for sources.

Can you provide any?

What I’m afraid of is we’re diluting and losing the original firm voice, when the actual need was for references and not for muting.

PS - I’m seeing now tht another contributor has taken us back to the original (as clarified by me) - though still of course without mentioning any sources.

- SquisherDa (talk) 20:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

The overriding tenor of those parts of the article had an overtly reactionary character. Evidently, the experience of the Bavarian Soviet Republic didn't "inculcate hatred" of leftist politics in the totality of the Bavarian general population. Far from it, many in Bavaria to this day have a warm opinion of the Republic. The other emendations pertained to grammar, punctuation, concision, and specificity.

What you say is really interesting! To me, the original text was a poignant and agonised account of how somewhat self-appointed Russian leadership / ownership of the left produced a split, a socialist ~ communist antagonism, tht let the Nazis in (and so produced a national and then global tragedy). I didn’t at all see it as reactionary in intent; very interesting tht to you it was reactionary (in its effect, at least; maybe intent too?) If I understand you correctly, we both regret both the failure and its consequences; I saw the text as bewailing it all, you saw it as celebrating it! And (my sympathies being what they are!) I felt rather keenly the lack of supporting references.

Altogether, what emerges from all this seems to be tht (1) it all needs expanding a bit, to disambiguate its stance (bewailing? or celebrating!?); and (2) needs references to support it. (Of course, the stance, once clarified, needs actually to be clearly neutral!)

Your experience of sentiment in Bavaria is illuminating but not directly usable, of course, as WP:OR . . do you know of any sources we can use?

-SquisherDa (talk) 23:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Frankly, far from introducing bias, I think I've removed the bias. It seems quite even-handed and "neutral" as it is right now.

Mmm . . seems to me still tht what’s needed is references. And actually, on a second look, I’m seeing tht a couple of sources are cited - at the ends of the paragraphs’ final sentences, leaving the reader to surmise which of the preceding sentences are directly supported by the source and which are more 'freestyle'.

In light of your experience 'on the ground' in Bavaria, I wonder if the events of the following hundred years have produced a mellowing and some change of heart. It still seems to me likely tht through the 1920s the effect was, as the original portrayed, a reactionary revulsion.

Do you have access to the sources cited? (or to any others?!) Are you able to cite references on a sentence-by-sentence (or phrase-by-phrase!) basis?

Meanwhile, I’m thinking tht one of your amendments really doesn’t hit on the right phrasing. "The parties struggled to work together" is in a sense the reverse of the truth. Surely the socialists struggled with all their power - fought passionately in fact - not to work together? As I understand it, even in the face of the most clear and present danger after Hitler was appointed Chancellor, they failed to vote together in the Reichstag to shut him down.

-SquisherDa (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, my emendations were consistent with the sources. Many of the adjustments, too, were just stylistic, grammatical, and structural.

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