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The "Kariong Hieroglyphs" are a collection of [engravings] of Egyptian Glyphts,which date back to the 4th. Dynasty. that is ca. 4.500 years B.C. on two rock faces within the Brisbane Water National Park near Gosford, New South Wales, Australia. The most notable depictions in the rocks are Egyptian hieroglyphs of a pharaoh, a stick-man, (quite a common figure in hieroglyphs in Egypt.) (Senff) and other symbols such as Suti or Sutech, an alter ego of SETH, the destroyer. The images from this site have been used to support theories of Extra terrestrial beings being withessed here.(Paul White) Other theories are that they represent an contact withancient Egyptian in Australia. This theory is supported in part by the Oral tradition of the Aborigines of this area. (Story of the two brothers.)(Senff)

This is the only known site in the area with Egyptian styled images. Not quite correct, there are two more formalized Engraved pannels nearby.(Senff) Gosford is known to have carvings from Aboriginal tribes dating back to 200 years prior.

No archaeological research has ever been conducted on these glyphs (yet the Dept. of National Parks and Wildlife Service in their advice to the then Asst. Minister, Carmel Tebutt stated, that they used an Egyptologist.) and they have been largely thought of as s and a hoax.[1] The images are believed to be freshly carved into the sides of these rocks.[citation needed] Ray Johnson wrote to Gosford Council allerting to the fact that Bob Cummings saw these glyphs in 1955 and stated that they were re-carved in 1964 by Sydney University Students. (Senff)

The real age of the engravings, can only be seen on the rock above the site with the Glypht of "Djeseb", which are barely visible today, but were three inches deep (aprox.) when originally carved on order of Nefer-Djeseb. (Senff)

Story of Discovery edit

A verified source, the Reporter Bob Cummings stated: "That he and his father and another Gentleman visited the site in 1955. At that time the Glyphs were barely visible." In 1964, Students from Sydney University spend a few days there, re-engraving the hiroglyphs.Independent Witness Nina Angelo (O.A.M.) of Gosford.

Hence the reference by Alan Dash is an incorrect because of the recarving of the Glyphts in 1964. Australia's greatest Egyptologe, Ray Johnson, of Queensland translated these Glyphts and wrote a letter to Gosford Council about them. His translation was done in close colaboration with the Director General of the Kairo Museum, Dia' Abou-Ghazi, who pointed out to him, for example,that it was not Anubis, but Suti on the Eastwall because Anubis has a shorter snout than SUTI. Further Anubis has no jurisdiction in Australia. (Senff)

In a 2003 article in the magazine Archeological Diggings, David Coltheart describes the initial response to the first documented sighting of these images. (I took pictures of the Underground Chamber in 2001. (Senff) (Here is conveniently forgotten, that these Glyphts where known for over 100 years.) He writes that a surveyor for the Gosford City Council found the engravings in 1975. The surveyor named Alan Dash immediately identified these as vandalization. The story of discovery continues with a narrative from a man named Neil Martin who found the perpetrator of the rock images chiseling new ones with a Sidchrome cold chisel. Martin says he removed this chisel from the man’s possession and ordered him to leave. The chisel would be the only evidence of this man’s existence. Since then, Park Rangers have found more hammers around the site. The age was also determined by David Lambert (Rock Art Conservator) to be less than 12 months old.[citation needed]

In any Court of Law, both Alan Dash's statement and David Lambert's statements would be criticised and possibly disallowed because David Lamberts claim, that the Glyphts were less than a year old contradicts Alan Dash's statement,that he seen them in 1975. Hence both witnesses would lack credibility in any court of law. As these Glyphts were recarved in 1964 by Sydney Uni. Students, they were obviously older that 12. month and older then the Alan Dash's claim of 1975. Hence there is no credibility to either statement. (Senff)

Engravings edit

Ray Johnson describes the cartouche of Khufu in his translation as well as one for Djeseb, while a Cartouche for Djeseb, is engraved into the boulder, which is also represented on the Eastwall. As these are Glyphts,which were the foundation of the Hieroglyphs they do appear in most textbooks, maybe with the exeption of the 4. Volumes written by Johnson himself, which are in the Library of the Kairo Museum. Dia' Abou Ghazi, General Director of the Museum, wrote to him in a handwritten note and stated: "I will, as soon as time Permits, read them, because they are of personal interest to me." (Senff)

Two cartouches etched in to the rocks are similar to ones in Egypt for Khufu and an unknown other.(Nefer-Ti-Ru) (Senff) The unknown cartouche could possibly be of a person called “Neferankhru”. Several other images also appear on rocks. Many of the symbols represent Egyptian hieroglyphs that can easily be copied from archaeological literature and popular culture knowledge. According to Coltheart, there are around 100 depictions however the number could be as high as 250 with the possibility of new engravings being added.[citation needed] David Coldheat errs in fact, because Paul White stated:

"That it was copied from a book in the Sydney University Library. As Paul White is a journalist, his lack of referencing is astounding."

As Johnson transliterated and translated the Glyphts, there is little chance, that new glyphts will be added to the 250 already existing, without their (new presence) being discovered. In Johnson's Sheet 3, it is decribed that the body is buried in the "RED EARTH SECTION." As the red Earth Section only applies to the hieroglyphic section, the Underground section of Nefer-Ti-Ru's Grave is situated in the white section (white Sandstone) , thereby proving, that we are dealing with an archaeological Discovery. Dr. Hans-Dieter von Senff.

Decipherment edit

The Egyptologe Ray Johnson,(Deceased)of Queensland translated all Glypht from drawings supplied by Paul White (?), with whom he visited the site. For example, in the 2nd. Glypht in the the Pyramid the Glypht is translated by him as "Ges" which is translated either as Side or Half. But Side or half of what?

Only the discovery of the Underground section in 2001 by Naomi von Senff, Michael O'Brien and Hans-Dieter von Senff Ph.D. showed, that the Glypht "Ges" in this instance, refered to a Side or Half Chamber, thereby proving the correctness of the Johnson Translation.

As the Chamber is 2 meters underground, it was not known to Ray Johnson, nor is it known even today to almost no one. Copies of the pictures are in Senff's "Prohibited Egyptology."and proves inter alia, that the site is not a hoax, but an genuine archeological discovery, namely the grave build by Nefer Djeseb for his Brother Nefer-Ti-Ru, two of the many sons of Khufu. (Cheops) Hence it can be stated that David Lamberts translation is incorrect, because as Nefer-Ti-Ru was the scribe, his death insured that Nefer-Djeseb instructed unskilled and most likely semi-literate persons to outline and engrave the glyphts. (Johnson)(Senff)

Is this Australia’s oldest written record?

The English transliteration and subsequent Translation of the Kariong Glyphs by Ray Johnson is as follows:


  • Johnson altered this time. It must be read now instead of two years to two egyptian seasons.(Senff)

This translation shows the deep humanity and sorrow expressed by Nefer-Djeseb about the demise of his brother, the Prince and Priest Nefer-Ti-Ru. But it is sug-gested, because the writings show such deep emotions, that it cannot be compared to the formal wri-tings of the “Books of the Dead” as entered on graves of the Kings, Queens, Princesses or Princes, in order to cheat death in securing an afterlife.

David Lambert has translated some of the images including the two cartouches to be significantly different from authentic Egyptian engravings as well as semantically impossible because the two names are used with the same nomen and prenomen. Other depictions were deemed incorrect due to placement, correctness, and reverses in the images. The use of a variety of symbology also suggests a mismatching of different styles from several periods in Egyptian history.[citation needed] To this Johnson stated in writing, that he identified at least eight different persons doing the engravings.Why did not David Lambert specify what Glyphs and what period? (Senff) But Lambert statement must be taken with a grain of salt. It was he who claimed, that the Glyphs were "but 12 month old" Close investigation has shown, that many these Glyphs were used from Pre-Dynatic Times until the 5th.Dynasty The absence of the winged sun glyph for example can be explained by the fact, that it was not used until the 5th. Dynasty. (Senff)

A look at the Khufu Museum Site will show a deep sea going boat, which with 43 meters length, i.e. bigger then the Endevadour of James Cook, could easily have reached Australia. If one checks the Abydos Label of the 1st. Dynasty one is confronted again with deap sea capable ships, which predate those of the 1st. Dynasty by 500 years.(Senff)

As the sailors came from the town of Tyre (build by Egypt in 2900 B.C., together with Amritt 3100 B.C., and Byblos 3000 B.C.,) and the Soldiers from Egypt, it is no wonder that mistakes could have been made. (Senff) (Johnson) It is funny, that Johnson did not complain about the so-called problems as mismatching of different styles when he transliterated and translated the glyphts. (Senff)

Theories about the Mystery edit

The fact that this 'is a genuine archeological site is clearly visible' to anyone, if they climb on top of the site and investigate the huge boulder with its weathered inscription of Djeseb. If this is not adequate proof for the sceptic, get under the boulder, which rest's on a man made sandstone pillar, right in the centre of the thirty to fifty ton boulder. The stilt was placed underneath in order to keep the glypht of Djeseb on even level.

Still not satisfied ? Only one meter to the left of Suti (not Anubis), across the incline, climb into the entry shaft and marvel at the sandstone plates underneath the roof of the grave of Nefer-Ti-Ru, which are supposed to be made by one or two people. Wayne Shipton, a former Quantas Ground Engineer of Newcastle stated: That it would take at least 30 people one year or more to create all this.

Despite the lack of evidence to support an ancient Egyptian connection with Australia, several people have used the Gosford Glyphs to promote their theories on the subject. While the site is not recognized in any official manner, tourists and amateur archaeologists continue to visit and interest in the Glyphs remains high and enshrouded in mystery. With the discovery of Johnson's Translation of the Glyphts,the Kariong Glyphts are being recognized for what they are. The Grave of Nefer-Ti-Ru, build for him by his brother, Nefer Djeseb at Kariong.

The Gosford Glyphs has a lack of sources verifying the site, because academics, unless they belong to the dispersion theory school, are not interested to investigate fresh ground. Other just view it as anything other than a collection of vandalized rocks. Many of these belong to so-called Egyptologist and Bureaucrats. However, there are two main sources for speculation.

Paul White and Rex Gilroy have both written online articles about the Gosford Glyphs.[citation needed] While Dr. Hans-Dieter von Senff'"Prohibited Egyptology" provides proof of the Underground Chambers and asked for Government protection for this archaeological site. This is the reason why an Application has been lodged with the Australian Heritage Commission to have the Kariong Glyphs listed.

See Also edit

References edit

  1. ^ Kenneth L. Feder (2010). Encyclopedia of Dubious Archaeology: From Atlantis to the Walam Olum. ABC-CLIO. pp. 119–121. ISBN 0313379181.
  • Coltheart, David. "Debunking the Gosford Glyphs". Archaeological Diggings. Vol. 10 No. 5, 2003.
  • "On the translation of the Kariong Glyphs" . Work in Progress Hans-Dieter von Senff Ph.D. Hans-Dieter von Senff: "Prohibited Egyptology. Is the Kariong Hieroglyphic Site a Hoax"
  • Ray Johnson's personal Glyph dictionary titled: "Basic Hieroglyphia" which in many respects is superior to Sir Gardiners Egyptian Grammar.

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