Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace

Template:uw-vandalism4 and Template:uw-generic4's documentations look not consistent.

Please fix this as soon as possible. Thanks. 2001:EE0:4BC2:15B0:49A4:5AB0:3C6E:D99E (talk) 11:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done It is unclear what you are referring to. Please state the edits to be made in a "change X to Y" format. Thank you. Mseingth2133444 (talk/contribs) 14:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mseingth2133444, I mean the documentations of them about formatting seems not consistent in order. 2001:EE0:4BCC:2E80:2CA9:DB6F:E9D5:5AE7 (talk) 04:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done What about it is inconsistent? You need to be more specific or nobody can help you. Mseingth2133444 (talk/contribs) 21:07, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mseingth2133444, the template {{Single notice}} source code should not be used, which produces:

Documentation

Usage:

{{subst:Template index}}

{{subst:Template index|Article}} references a specific article

{{subst:Template index|Article|Additional text}} adds text onto the end of the message instead of "Thank you"

{{subst:Template index||Additional text}} or {{subst:Template index|2=Additional text}} also adds text onto the end of the message instead of "Thank you", but doesn't link a page as specified by the article.

• This standardized template conforms to guidelines by the user warnings project. You may discuss the visual appearance of these standardized templates (e.g. the image in the top-left corner) at the user warning talk page.
• Please refer to the index of message templates before using any template on user talk pages to warn a user. Applying the best template available for your purpose may help reduce confusion from the message you are sending.
• Please remember to substitute the template using {{subst:Template index}} rather than {{Template index}}.
• To give greater detail to your message, you may add the article and some additional text to the end of the template. If such article or additional text includes a URL or anything which includes an equal sign ("="), it may break the parser's function unless you prefix the article or the text with a named template parameter. Use "1=" if the article contains an equals sign and use "2=" if the additional text contains an equals sign (such as a URL).
• This template automatically populates the relevant category with the user page. If and when the user account gets blocked, or approximately eight weeks pass with no further action, that categorization is automatically removed.
• This is the documentation for the {{Single notice}} standardized template, as used by several single-level user warnings or notice templates. It is located at Template:Single notice/inner(edit talk links history).

as the template {{uw-generic4}} is using. Alternatively, occupy the template {{Templatesnotice}} as most near-end warning templates used, including {{uw-delete4}} and {{uw-vandalism4}}, which outputs:

Documentation[view] [edit] [history] [purge]

Usage

{{subst:Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace}}

{{subst:Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace|article}} references a specific article

{{subst:Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace|article|additional text}} adds text onto the end of the message instead of "Thanks" or "Thank you"

• This standardized template conforms to guidelines by the user warnings project. You may discuss the visual appearance of these standardized templates (e.g. the image in the top-left corner) at the user warning talk page.
• Please refer to the index of message templates before using any template on user talk pages to warn a user. Applying the best template available for your purpose may help reduce confusion from the message you are sending.
• When using multi-level templates, in some cases you need not start with a level-1 warning. See Wikipedia:WikiProject User warnings/Usage and layout#Levels.
• Please remember to substitute the template using {{subst:Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace}} rather than {{wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace}}.
• To give greater detail to your message, you may add the article and some additional text to the end of the template.

The above documentation is transcluded from Template:Templates notice. (edit | history)

.113.165.236.133 (talk) 11:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm ok with doing this if there is consensus. Also, please do not include transcluded templates in talk page replies.Mseingth2133444 (talk/contribs) 01:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Do it for consistency. Beep beep beep boop? 03:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposed changes to uw-vaublock

Hey everyone! I've just made some changes to the template's sandbox because the text that we're seeing right now looked really vague and outdated compared to its sister uw-uhblock. The table below shows why we need this change and why it's worth it. More details about the change can be found here.

Current	New	Notes
it is being used only for vandalism	it is being used only for vandalism	This text should remain the exact same as no significant changes are needed.
Furthermore, your username is a blatant violation of our username policy	Additionally, your username is a clear violation of Wikipedia's username policy	To remain in line with the block notice, the furthermore has been changed to additionally. and the word our has been changed to Wikipedia's to make clear that this is indeed Wikipedia. Blatant is now clear for added clarity.
meaning that it is profane, threatens, attacks or impersonates another person, or suggests that your intention is not to contribute to the encyclopedia	it is obviously offensive, profane, violent, threatening, sexually explicit, disruptive, attacks or impersonates another person, or suggests that you do not intend to contribute positively to Wikipedia	The third sentence has been completely change for added clarity. We now have a detailed reason of why the username is in violation of the username policy. It's now more detailed and more explanatory than the old one.

If you have any questions about this change feel free to reply below! kleshkreikne. T 15:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I've got a question. Why do we have two different templates with the same wording? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Although it might’ve been the same, I just changed things up so that new users who aren’t familiar with what a block is understand this situation. I’ve kinda changed the wording a little bit, especially in the third sentence. kleshkreikne. T 20:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

One is a username block, the other is a vandalism block, where the user is informed that their name is also not acceptable. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC).

 Not done This template should be edited by or at the request of admins actually doing vandalism blocks, not non-admins who have opinions about what admins should say. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

The changes in the wording of Template:Uw-vandalism1 are harmful

It used to say 'If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page'. Now it doesn't even mention the possibility that the identification of your edit was vandalism could have been a mistake, even though such mistakes are, in fact, made by vandal patrollers with regards to edits by IP editors all the time. Instead, it just assumes that if there is a problem, it must be due to you not understanding something. Instead of mentioning that you could talk to the actual person who sent you the template and dispute the claim that your edit was vandalism, it directs you to general forums. This is a rather horrible change. I suppose that vandal patrollers wanted to be able to revert away at peace without having to engage in any dialogue at all, treating the IPs like space invaders or zombies in a first person shooter game - which they had a tendency to do even before the change, hence the frequent 'false positives' - but this just means a total lack of accountability and greatly increased unfairness. This change is authoritarian and self-serving. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Could you give an example of this change? The "level 1" templates I spot-checked all still have that wording while the "level 2" do not, and I do not see any recent changes in this regard. DMacks (talk) 09:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

This is the vandalism level 1 template - here is the change, and it is currently in effect. It may not be exactly recent (2018), although it seems so if you have been editing Wikipedia since 2006 or so, as I have. I see that there was a majority for the change in the quick straw poll that the edit summary links to, but only a couple of users actually participated in the poll. Anyway, even if the majority of the community is for the current wording, I have the right to voice my opinion on its effects. The user's reasoning that 'we should be able to volunteer our time to fight vandalism without inviting drama to our talk pages', i.e. without having to justify our claims that something is vandalism, was incredibly complacent - basically assuming that people accusing others of vandalism are always right and shouldn't need to justify their actions, when in reality incorrect accusations of vandalism are made all the time. It's annoying enough to be reverted and accused of vandalism for no reason, but not having even the opportunity to object and having your mouth shut is the icing on the cake.--62.73.69.121 (talk) 10:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC).

I do think it's a bit arbitrary of a removal. I would be in favor of putting the talk page link back. Remsense诉 12:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

My first reaction would be to support the replacement. However I think there needs to be a careful balance between directing to the user who left the warning and community venues, like Tea House and the Help desk. The advantage of the community pages is two fold. Firstly more than one pair of eyes on the query, secondly it helps quickly resolve issues where a patroller has a wrong idea for some reason. It's certainly the case that the people who are best at reviewing thousands of edits may not be the best at dealing with conflict. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC).

Template-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

I would like to add a section which says "Please check here (linking to Special:CentralAuth) to see if your username is similar to a different one." Waylon (he was here) (Does my editing suck? Let's talk.) (Also, not to brag, but...) 17:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)"

To which template(s)? DonIago (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, forgot to add, sorry about that!

The template in question is Template:Uw-softerblock. Waylon (he was here) (Does my editing suck? Let's talk.) (Also, not to brag, but...) 14:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I already answered your edit request. TheTechie (formerly Mseingth2133444) (t/c) 15:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see that. Sorry, I was trying to clarify. Waylon (was) (here) 19:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Not a template editor, but going to soft decline that as CentralAuth only tells if a username is taken, not what it's similar to. If someone else wants to accept it, go ahead. Mseingth2133444 (talk/contribs) 23:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

{{Uw-copyright}} discussion over specific text wording

Resolved

Hey @Mathglot: In the template edit to {{Uw-copyright}}: I disagree with your removal of 'infringement', which changes the text from:

Wikipedia takes copyright infringement very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing.

to

Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing.

Reason being: Copyright is the legal right granted by law to the creator of original works. Whereas, copyright infringement occurs when someone uses a copyrighted work without permission from the copyright holder. In this specific sentence, Wikipedia as an entity is taking copyright infringement very seriously as those who violate the copyright policy will be blocked from editing. An editor violates the copyright policy by committing a copyright infringement.

Hence, I suggest we use the terminology copyright infringement, seen in green above. waddie96 ★ (talk) 18:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I’m aware of the definitions, but I don’t see an argument there in favor of your wording. It is copyright that is being taken seriously, and the blocking is the consequences of infringement, *because* we take copyright seriously. Mathglot (talk) 13:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree with your point. waddie96 ★ (talk) 10:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Can we clean up the number of warnings and block templates?

There are a huge ton of warning templates and they have appeared to turn into scope creep. There are easily over 200+ templates all just for warnings, and the functionality might actually be better with a different warning system, using {{uw}} ({{uw1}}, {{uw2}}, {{uw3}}, {{uw4}}) (which is a meta warning template) and related. A TfM I started at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_27#Uw_meta_templates found no consensus for merging the meta templates above but maybe we find something here.

My opinion is we should only have warnings for common problems that contributors make and in most cases we should try to personally hand write warning messages rather than standardize. Most of the cases above "level 3" can be addressed with "uw-disrupt3", etc. It IMHO is also counterproductive to warn vandals (as that is "feeding the trolls"); maybe just one or two warnings for "unconstructive editing" before pouncing with a block. I don't think all these templates document common problems, which is why we need standardization. Awesome Aasim 19:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Warning template for breaking templates

Moved from WP:VPR

 – Sdkb ^talk 16:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Is there currently a user warning template about users breaking templates? I see a lot of that in Recent Changes and I don't want to leave a handwritten note every time I warn a user who breaks a template. 2003 LN6 15:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Would {{uw-test}} be sufficient for your purposes? I wouldn't want a user warning about breaking templates to become a sort of trout for more experienced template editors. Sdkb ^talk 16:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Should Template:Uw-copyright-img only be for own images?

The way the main body of Template:Uw-copyright-img is worded suggests it's meant only for cases where the warning editor can reasonably conclude that the image being warned against is made by the uploader. Yet the opening sentence An image you uploaded appears to be copyrighted content borrowed from another website., does not take this into account, nor is any other path of action for cases where the uploader does not have the rights to redistribute the image. Should we retool this template to focus only on this case, or add a path of action in case they do not? Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 15:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't read it the same way you did. All the stuff about being the image creator is prefixed by "If you are the copyright holder..." --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ahecht I suppose that's fair; but it's also a common mistake for new users to upload copyrighted images thinking that we can use fair use the same way as any other website. Might it be better to add a "If you are not the copyright holder" section, with a link to WP:NFCC and anything relevant? Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 00:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheDragonFire300 I can see the logic in adding a "If you're not the copyright holder" sentence to the end. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 02:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)