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Why it's in italicsEdit

In these edits at TERF, you said, "no idea why this is in italics" and "never seen this before on a wikipedia article, am I missing something?" Yes, you are missing something; namely, MOS:WORDSASWORDS, and how we handle it when we mention a word, rather than use its meaning. This was previously indicated in the summaries at revs 915817159, 915816906, 913088799, and 904860523. Note the style difference between the articles Trans woman and Lesbian on the one hand, which are about concepts, (thus, not italicized); and articles like LGBT and Gay on the other, which are not about LGBT people, or Gay communities, but about the words LGBT and Gay as words. When we talk about a word, rather than a concept, we italicize it per MOS:WAW. Like when we say, "a word is the smallest unit of meaning", vs. "word is a four-letter noun". See also use-mention distinction. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 10:18, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Thanks, I should have known I didn't understand the reason. —DIYeditor (talk) 15:00, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

So you didn't appreciate my commentsEdit

I am quite aware of WP:NOTFORUM..thank you.I don't need you telling me about it. My comment was very small and simply a comment, as compared to some of the others. I have noticed the misuse of WP:NOTFORUM as a tool of censorship. FYI I've seen enough of your comments to know that you have not earned my respect.00:57, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

@Oldperson: I don't think you understand the difference between talking about the article and giving your opinions. Also, being in favor of a certain wording or inclusion is not the same as believing a POV represented by it. You might surmise certain things about a person from the articles they edit and positions they defend but I wouldn't assume it is always accurate. For example I think it is very unlikely you know what I thank think about transsexuality or transgenderism. —DIYeditor (talk) 14:51, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
But I do understand the diff, except that the TERF talk page is full of opinions, and in fact when discussing something one is actually expressing their opinion, even if it is so trite as an opinion if it is a RS or NPOV.

Ihave noticed that editors who object by plastering templates about WP:FORUM unless it is blatant, are really objecting to the issue raised, and are using the template as a form of censorship..a substitute for telling someone to shut up. But you can do us both a favor. Provide me a link to the comment I made that you consider forum. I am capable of objectively evaluating my own words, especially from a distance (of time).Oldperson (talk) 17:33, 24 October 2019 (UTC) Rrzzzz; your troll notice. Provide a link to the diff that you are referencing.Thank you.Blanket (non specific) accusations are simply a demonstration of personal spite. Considering our experience. Oldperson (talk) 14:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@Oldperson: I have felt like part of what you do is waste others' time. Should I really take the time to link you to the comments that have been hatted explicitly for violating WP:NOTFORUM. Do I need to link to the many examples of you not WP:AGFing and making spurious allegations against other editors and admins? Do I need to point out the many cases of you not using preview (transcluding rather than wikilinking things, not reading the wikilinks - if even successfully formatted - of references you make to pages that don't even exist like WP:STALK, botched formatting in general with comments not having a new line or starting a new paragraph, accidental deletions)? I don't feel like I should have to build a case against you to say "hey, not sure what is up, but you are acting in a way that makes collaboration difficult." Sometimes demanding evidence for obvious things just compounds the disruption. It's ok to be new, and being quick to learn how to code on Wikipedia is not a requirement. Just wondering if you can "chill" a little bit. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
{{DIYeditor))I take it from your comment, that you have actually wasted your time, checking on my many edits, browsing through them to locate my "sins", which you can then point out. I guess I should be flattered by such attention but would wonder the source of it, did I not recall that I made a statement that most probably wounded your ego. You are correct about me making accusations. My problem, not holding my tongue, but also the problem of others who despite their claims of NPOV, their bias comes through loud and clear. That they aren't called out on their bias is because those that could call them out, find themselves in sympathy. I have also learned, through observation that tags like FORUM, SOAPBox, NPOV are actually censorship tools in the hands of the more skilled and "credentialled" of editors and admins. There are quite a few "senior" editors and admins whom I genuinely respect. They exercise good (but tough) judgement, are willing to listen, not caught up in ego and vengance for being wounded, and are helpful with their edits, even their RfC denials. I can't say that for everyone. Perhaps you don't care about being respected by flunkies like myself, but I think you do, it is my assessment that you felt wounded by me so you launch a diatribe of wrongs I have committed, and who in the heck hasn't left behind a string of wrongs. One thing is obvious, since I informed you that, based on my observation of your posts, especially on TERF, that I don't respect you and resented you slapping a template on my user page. It ias also obvious that from that moment I have become an object of obsession and that is not healthy. There is a positive side to this dustup. I have learned quite a bit, about. And learning is always good. Oldperson (talk) 18:36, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
@Oldperson: That you have singled out admins Drmies and TonyBallioni for your ire, as far as I'm familiar with them, is nearly comical, that's why I called it troll-like. I'm not saying you're a troll, I'm saying the missteps are to the point that one might have some slight suspicion that they are intentional. The failure to do simple things like utilize preview, or otherwise review your edits for very frequent mistakes relating to templates and wikilinks, combined with trigger-happy accusations of POV, harassment, etc. against respected editors and admins, and a refusal to learn what it means to not use Wikipedia talk pages for a forum after it having been pointed out repeatedly, add up to me having some question that if this is not intentional disruption, is it disruption that you are unable to avoid? —DIYeditor (talk) 18:59, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:DIYeditorAnd where did I singled out Drmies?Tell me. Looks we have a case of WP:Hound. He certainly isn't mentioned on this talk page, and your use of IRE is untoward and unseemly. I have not singled out Drmies for my ire. I have chided him for use of foul language, and will do so anyone who poses as an adult and can't holdtheir temper and tongue (or typing finger as it were) and Ididn't single out Tony Ballioni either. This time you have to post a diff to where I singled out Tony, that is a vile and inaccurate accusation.Oldperson (talk) 20:00, 29 October 2019 (UTC)


If you are going to edit information and claim citation as the issue, but leaving incorrect information that isn't cited either, and then have the audacity to claim an edit war, at least have the courage to explain yourself. I'm sorry if language translation doesn't suit your purposes, but it doesn't change the accuracy.

Weaponcheck (talk) 06:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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Wikilawyering not reasonableEdit

First you simply refer to WP:TPO, while it clearly states that such edits are permitted. The only "irritating" point is a misspelled meaningless word, which does not help the discussion nor the readers and required research to understand the sentence. By maintaining the sp error, you are wikilawyering over a most reasonable improvement. The error is not helpful for anyone, and no harm or misleading is done by removing it. -DePiep (talk) 15:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I note that you keep shifting reasons. There is no reasoning against that. The original issue is not solved. -DePiep (talk) 15:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
  1. It is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct others' spelling errors, grammar, etc. and doing so can be irritating. No need
  2. Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. Any objection - I objected.
  3. You do not indicate the section of WP:TPO which contradicts its clear direction at the top not to correct spelling errors. This is not mentioned in any of the examples.
  4. You leave no indication that the original post has been modified and that what others responded to is different than your version of the proposal.
  5. How do you know it was supposed to read "accepted"? You indicate one might google "accepmoted" yet you are certain you know the correct word?
—DIYeditor (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
No you did not object, you only linked to WP:TPO. That is not an objection in itself.
"Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed ... If you make anything more than minor changes it is good practice to leave a short explanatory note such as "[possible libel removed by DePiep (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)]". Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments: " — my edit is minor, and stil I *did* ping the author [p at first occasion].
Then follows an extensive list with some two dozen examples, which could have helped you in getting the grasp of the TPO guideline.
IOW, you leave out the guidelines that condones such an edit, and from there you keep changing your argument. In the end, you keep WP:WIKILAWYERING by hammering on cutout sentences. You have not responded to the reasonability to fix sp errors in a nom's opening statement. You are not helping the reader (for sure not this one). -DePiep (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok boomer. —DIYeditor (talk) 07:17, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing that. I was not aware of reflist-talk. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 11:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)