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Focus on Western/English typographyEdit

Given that this template focuses on Western punctuation (which makes sense, otherwise it seems like it would be too big), that scope should be made clear. Otherwise, it looks like we're considering "punctuation" to mean only "Western punctuation", which sounds culturally biased. We have links to Chinese, Hebrew, Japanese, and Korean punctuation, which are clearly non-Western, but we also treat non-English quotation marks as "related" rather than first-class marks (which implies an English-only focus). Also note that e.g. the Chinese script symbol for Chinese yuan (元, arguably a grapheme) is not given, only the Latin script one (¥).

What is the best way to do this? Maybe add a centered-text row that says "Western Typographical Symbols" or "English Typographical Symbols" above "Punctuation"? That could also replace the name of the punctuation mark from the transcluding page (which is a bit confusing). -- Beland (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Plus and Minus Signs look weird.Edit

On my Google Chrome at Plus and minus signs the + and − in the template merged into one mess! I think its due to the width of the box.

I tested the page with my Firefox 17.01, Safari 5.1.7, Opera 12.15, and IE 10, and all of the +− was squished into one letter (a bit like a compressed dagger symbol) except my Safari 5.1.7 where it showed + and − separately with space in between them. Weaktofu (talk) 05:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I think they are supposed to appear merged… — |J~Pæst|  21:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
but like this? (talk) 23:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
What do we expect? -DePiep (talk) 00:00, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
If it was the plus or minus sign, then it should look like ±, but this is Plus and minus signs (+ -) not the Plus-minus sign, and if we wanted the plus-minus sign should we just use the unicode symbol for it instead of the current css? Either way, the symbol(s) currently looks different in different browsers, which needs fixing Weaktofu (talk) 00:12, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Double vertical barEdit

The vertical bar template shows a double vertical bar ( ‖ ) just below the main illustration, and it has the word "Magnitude" underneath it. So is this symbol called a magnitude, or is it meant to indicate magnitudes? Because I can't find evidence of either. Can someone find a source? Pdxuser (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Bengali PunctuationsEdit

since there are other punctuation marks listed , e.g. Chinese Punctuation, and Bengali Bangla has distinct scrpts, so I propose a link to Bengali Punctuation orবাংলা বিরাম/যতি । — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briksho (talkcontribs) 21:06, 10 October 2013‎

Delete copy right contentEdit

Cancel — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Please delete all brackets on the right side of the list and add the symbols < >Edit

Why all symbols have to be on the right side in round brackets? It would be better to delete them all because they derange. Why the symbols < and > and them name are not part of the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2013Edit

Another name for the number/hash symbol is octothorpe -- please add (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

  Done Mlpearc (open channel) 04:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2013Edit

add plus-minus and minus-plus signs please (talk) 23:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Please post the characters you are referring to. Then reset the request by changing answered=yes back to answered=no.
Cheers, Mlpearc (open channel) 04:16, 26 December 2013 (UTC) . Maybe you meant U+00B1 ± PLUS-MINUS SIGN and U+2213 MINUS-OR-PLUS SIGN. But I don't know if they qualify as "punctuation", they could be just mathematical symbols [1]. ( -DePiep (talk) 12:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2014Edit (talk) 04:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Edite

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

No more (  )Edit

I think it is time to get rid of the ( ) markers we add. Maybe in typography there are other (better) things, but these ( ) we don't need.

If anyone has an improvement on the comma's too, please tell. -DePiep (talk) 21:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

  • [2]: To me: Wonderful. Great. -DePiep (talk) 21:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, great. May I propose. Instead of the earlier comma (punctuation separator) we use a double space. This would appear in the right-hand column. This would also help to clarify & separate the paired punctuation marks (brackets). Technically, that could be >&nbsp;&#x20;<-DePiep (talk) 21:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Ditto mark (again)Edit

About the ditto mark. Two Unicode characters are in play.

U+3003 DITTO MARK (HTML &#12291;), block=CJK Symbols and Punctuation
U+2033 DOUBLE PRIME (HTML &#8243; · &Prime;), block=General Punctuation

Earlier discussions: 1 2 (May 2013). U+3003, the CJK character, is not to be used in Latin text, it is CJK only. -DePiep (talk) 09:30, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Currency signs linesEdit

I still am not happy with the currency signs show. It could be a straight block running l-to-r, no extra padding. -DePiep (talk)

Why is it not a list like the other sections? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:07, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
currency symbols

฿¢$ƒ£ ¥

Could be OK too. Would look like? Formatting this template has been a nuisance since years. (If I'm correct, IE8 did not handle align-right issues correct). Other entries can have 4 to 5 nicely on the righthand side, but how to present 25? Let me give a throw: -DePiep (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking more in the lines of:
BTW, the markup is horribly convulted... just spent 30 minutes just trying to emulate this list. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
(Yes, any markup cleanup is welcome). Hey, there are 34 currency signs. Theoretically you are right: mention the name (~country). Boldly I'd say: better do not. Other route: it's just a navbox (eg, not printed mostly). Then why not collapse a part? -DePiep (talk) 22:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Could also work... Another though: split currency to its own infobox; technically it's not punctiation. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


This template has officially degenerated into a heap of useless clutter, taking up about a meter of screen real estate on the right margin (where articles want to place other stuff such as images). This happens with every Wikipedia template over time, not to worry. But can we collapse it please? Or offer a less cluttered alternative? --dab (𒁳) 07:00, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Other RupeesEdit

Why are Tamil or other Indic rupee signs not there but only Devanagari one? ௹ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


The template seems to be lacking the guillemets (or angle quotes, « ») that are very common in many non-English languages (such as French and Spanish). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Added. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:47, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2016Edit


 Under currency symbols the US Dollar sign ($) is missing.  Please add it.

Thanks you. (talk) 12:18, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

  Already done $ is under 'Currency'. — JJMC89(T·C) 12:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Two tweaks for per/bp sectionsEdit

Hello, I think that there should be two tweaks made to this template. First of all, "per mil" should be renamed to "permille" or "per mille" to better reflect the page. Secondly, I think that "basis point" should be renamed to "basis point / permyriad" and it should be moved upwards so that it is next to the percent/permille symbols. Let me know what you think. Aaronfranke (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

dagger proposalsEdit

can we change this to "dagger (obelisk / diesis)" ?

This is 25 characters, the same length as "inverted exclamation mark" which follows 3 below it, so I don't think it would stretch out the table any.

Also re Talk:Dagger_(typography)#Triple_dagger can anyone figure out how to generate this character in Wikipedia so it could display on the table too? I can view it in PDFs but when I cut and paste them to Wikipedia it forms the symbol which looks like / and which looks like or something. ScratchMarshall (talk) 20:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Tab under word deviders?Edit

Shoudn't the tab character » « (ASCII code 9) also be in the word deviders' section? Dan 23:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Doc nomenclature: "sidebar" vs. "infobox"Edit

§ Usage erroneously opened with, "The template is an infobox ...", however, "The template is a sidebar ...", is more accurate in light of infobox guidelines stating, "An infobox is a panel ... that summarizes key features of the page's subject." Template:Punctuation marks offers no such summarizing function to the individual punctuation mark articles in which it is placed, but rather serves to "provide navigation between related articles". Template:Sidebar/doc puts forth that sidebars are "boxes that are vertically-aligned navigation templates". Regarding such,

There are two main varieties of navigation template: navigation boxes (or navboxes), designed to sit at the very bottom of articles, and sidebars, designed to sit at the side of the article text.

With the general Punctuation marks article being an obvious exception, Template:Punctuation marks in practice most often serves to offer links to a wide variety of articles covering different punctuation from that covered in a specific punctuation mark article in which the template is placed, i.e. it serves to help readers navigate elsewhere rather than as a place to summarize details of the topic at hand, hence it 's better referred to as a sidebar, not as an infobox as was previously done.
[Upon consideration, I suppose "navigation template" (perhaps wikilinked) might serve as well as a more general option to "sidebar" (while still offering an improvement over inaccurate "infobox"). Hmm, perhaps sidebar wikilinked to Wikipedia:Navigation template, sorta' combining both as so: [[Wikipedia:Navigation template|sidebar]], might be a both accurate and informative way to go ... Let's try that for awhile, eh?]
A fellow editor, -- (talk) 15:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I have done a very rough conversion of this template to use {{sidebar}}, at Template:Punctuation marks/sandbox. Other editors may want to follow up with fixes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:14, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2018Edit

please change the anchor-hyperlink (to jump to the correct section of the page) attached to the "arabic question mark" in the info box at the top right of the page from Mirrored_question_mark_in_semitic_languages_and_arabic_script to the correct anchor for the Mirrored Question Mark in Right to left scripts section (talk) 15:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The "Arabic question mark" is not part of this template. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2018Edit

Pleas alphabetize the "General typography" section. It's almost alphabetical, and apparently was at some point in the past, but "multiplication sign", "equals sign" and "basis point" have broken the pattern and need to be moved. Also, "pilcrow" should come before "plus and minus".

As a separate edit I might as well mention at the same time, I'd update the "plus and minus" line to "plus, minus, plus-minus" and add "±". But I'm less certain; skip it if you disagree. (It was discussed back in 2004, before any of the math characters were added.)

Thank you! (talk) 23:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

  Done L293D ( • ) 01:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

prime marks, fontEdit

While the triple prime symbol shows correctly on my Android, the single and double primes are indistinguishable from the ASCII straight single and double quotation marks, even when I replace them in the wikicode by their Unicode values, x2032 and x2033 (′ and ″).[1] Is this a matter of the fonts my phone uses, or is it a Wikipedia problem?


--Thnidu (talk) 17:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Thnidu: I suspect that this a font issue rather than a code issue. I suggest that you experiment with various <font> markups until you find one that clearly distinguishes (like presumably the default one doesn't). But then you have to be aware that not all readers on all platforms will have that font if it is at all unusual so that 'what you see is not what they get' after font substitution. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Add lines to template to give Unicode code point and name?Edit

I wonder if there would be a consensus in favour of adding a couple of extra lines to the template, to give the Unicode code point and name for the symbol? For example the pound sign is £, U+00A3, POUND SIGN. Comments? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: Maybe? It might help to see a mocked up example to get an idea for how it would look. What about the templates that have alternate versions shown, like at Slash (punctuation)? –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I suspect that I have fallen into the infobox/sidebar trap but let's see. If there is more interest, I will have a go to see how it looks, I don't want to spend time on it if the whole idea will be met with a chorus of disapproval. Thank you especially for pointing out that some marks that already have a second line. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
"the infobox/sidebar trap" is a nice observation. In this case, it looks like a combination: in top is infobox info, the list is sidebar (navigation). Not a problem IMO, I've read no objections re this over all these years. Having an infobox part (if we agree) implies that there can be more infobox data. Already variants are in there (Slash (punctuation)); the Unicode U+ code and name can be there too. Somehow I think there should be a limit to the number of characters (not dozens of space variants). -DePiep (talk) 10:32, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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