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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 05:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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Zdzisław Najmrodzki

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  • ... that Zdzisław Najmrodzki had escaped 29 times from prisons and the jail authorities? Source: Do Rzeczy Historia, no 8(66)/2018, September 2018, pp. 40-43.; also: "Z rąk funkcjonariuszy wymykał się 29 razy", translation: "He had escaped from the authorities 29 times" in article at focus.pl (in Polish))
    • ALT1:... that Zdzisław Najmrodzki, a thief in 1970s–1980s Poland, escaped from law-enforcement authorities and prisons on 29 occasions? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Artemis Andromeda (talk). Self-nominated at 21:41, 1 October 2021 (UTC).

  • Date, size, copyvio spotcheck, neutrality, etc. all good. I have two minor concerns. One, the ref " "Król ucieczek", Archiwum zbrodni, 2015" is lacking information on what is it referencing - a website? A brochure? It needs a link, ISBN, or such. Second, the hook sounds a bit off. Escape from prison, fine, but escape from the authorities? Hmmm. I get it, sometimes he escaped while in transport or such, but maybe he "has escaped 29 times from the law enforcement authorities"? Without trying to divide prisons vs authorities? I'll ping User:Nihil novi re "what would sound most natural in English". --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
How about: "Zdzisław Najmrodzki, a thief in 1970s–1980s Poland, escaped from law-enforcement authorities and prisons on 29 occasions."?
Nihil novi (talk) 22:57, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Nihil novi, That would work for me. Still waiting for the main author to reply here... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:32, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
@Piotrus: Hey, sorry for late response. I like the version by Nihil novi, though I feel that it's meesing "the" in "[...] escaped from [the] law-enforcement [...]". About that one source, I took it from Polish Wiki. It seems that it was an episode of the television decumentary. I think, that maybe a good idea would be to look through other sources, and see, if they can confirm informations from that sources.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 21:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
@Artemis Andromeda:, sorry to differ, but the "the" you propose is unnecessary, unless you can prove that there was only one such authority and only one prison involved in all the 29 cases. (English grammar and syntax can be weird for non-Anglophones.)
Good luck!
Nihil novi (talk) 02:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Artemis Andromeda, Can you propose here an ALT1 based on the discussion above that I could check and hopefully approve? I can't propose it myself as this would technically mean we would need another reviewer. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
@Piotrus: Ok, done. Sorry it took so long Artemis Andromeda (talk) 11:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
with preference for ALT1 per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Pulling back from promotion to prep due to continuing prose issues and a need for additional sourcing. While a number have been corrected, this has already been moved within preps once to avoid promotion to queue, and it's better to get everything done here rather than play this out at WT:DYK#Zdzisław Najmrodzki - Prep 2. First tasks: fix the fourth paragraph under Career, which is a mess, and source the end of the final paragraph in Later life (it would also help to clarify this name change: was his new surname then Najmrodzki, or something else, and if something else, what was it?). Courtesy pings to nominator Artemis Andromeda, and recent DYK talk page participants Piotrus, Gatoclass, and hook proposer Nihil novi. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:10, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset:. I have copyedited the whole article (diff) for standard English. The fourth para of the Criminal history section still needs to be checked for consistency with the source. Also, a source for the change to his mother's maiden name still needs to be found. Storye book (talk) 11:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Storye book, belated thanks for your edits. I did make one additional change for clarity. However, it may all be for naught if Artemis Andromeda does not return to address the remaining issues noted above, including checking the revised fourth paragraph against the (offline) source to be sure it still accurately reflects the source after the recent edits. I've pinged them more than once on their talk page, but they've yet to show up. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
  • No problem. By the way, the creator is not absent, they have been online here today, according to their contributions. I can't read Polish, but if there's anything else I can do to help move things on, please let me know. Storye book (talk) 17:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Hi, I'm here, sorry for not responding before. I will try to adress/fix said issues this week. Thank you everyone for your help in improving/fixing that article and the nomination. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 17:42, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Artemis Andromeda, for the article improvements. I have read through the article and it now looks fine to me. However I'm not the reviewer. Piotrus? Storye book (talk) 09:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Storye book, I think it is fine for a DYK. I think User:Artemis Andromeda may find it interesting to see what a WP:GAN reviewer would ask, but for us, here, I think this is fine. A quick note: citations should be expanded (many are for newspaper articles and are missing dates and author information), but I think this is not a DYK-level requirement (but for B+ class, yes). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:52, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
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