Template:Did you know nominations/Vacated victory
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
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Vacated victory
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that the NCAA's practice of vacating victories has been said to ask sports fans to pretend games never happened?Source: "Those opposed to the punishment note that the NCAA is effectively asking fans and schools to pretend that the game never happened." -- NYTimes- ALT1:
... that the NCAA has vacated a national championship because players were given stripteases?Source: "The NCAA has vacated wins as a punishment for academic misconduct, impermissible financial benefits, and player sex scandals." -- NPR - ALT2: ... that after the NCAA vacated their national championship in men's lacrosse, Syracuse made a new trophy without the NCAA logo? Source: "Syracuse later commissioned a replacement trophy, without the NCAA logo, that the university still displays." -- ChicagoTrib
- Comment: First DYK, hence three possible hooks, so any advice or critique is much appreciated.
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Moved to mainspace by Alyo (talk). Self-nominated at 07:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC).
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Hook eligibility:
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- For the main hook, "Those opposed" in the article seems sourced to only one article titled "Pretending They Didn't Happen". It doesn't seem a plural "those" in the article is accurate without more sources. For ALT1, there is no mention of stripteases in the article (though it is in the sources). For ALT2, use of "simply" seems like WP:EDITORIALIZING. - Interesting:
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Typically for the nomination, the text provide for each hook after "Source" should be the text from the actual source that back the hook, not the text from the article. —Bagumba (talk) 11:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review and note about future noms! For hook 1, I've changed added a ref to this cite, which is a lot more flowery in calling the punishment "collective and deliberate amnesia", the "Phantom Zone", and the "Land of the Lost". I can probably find more along those lines if needed. For ALT1, I'm inclined to not add the language about stripteases into the article unless reviewers here think that's the best hook. For ALT2 I've struck "simply" above. Alyo (chat·edits) 17:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Alyo: For the main hook, I think "pretend" will be problematic in Wikipedia's voice without a source(s) that claim to summarize the collective opposition's view. Otherwise, it seems like the individual writers' POV, which is fine if treated per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV or MOS:QUOTEPOV. I can approve ALT2, unless you wanted to explore other options, but it should be tweaked to clarify that it was Syracuse's title being vacated (hence their new trophy).—Bagumba (talk) 09:48, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: So, assuming I source this in the article, would that look something like "...that Charlie Pierce called the NCAA's practice of vacating victories a "Phantom Zone" and compared it to George Orwell's unperson?" I do think that the weirdness of vacated results leading to a bizarre existential commentary on memory is the most interesting part of the topic, but I'm not exactly sure how to make that appropriate in WP's voice or for DYK. A better writer than I could probably walk that line, so I'd take any suggestions. Otherwise I'm fine going with ALT2 (changing "a national championship" to "their national championship"). Alyo (chat·edits) 14:06, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Alyo: For the main hook, I think "pretend" will be problematic in Wikipedia's voice without a source(s) that claim to summarize the collective opposition's view. Otherwise, it seems like the individual writers' POV, which is fine if treated per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV or MOS:QUOTEPOV. I can approve ALT2, unless you wanted to explore other options, but it should be tweaked to clarify that it was Syracuse's title being vacated (hence their new trophy).—Bagumba (talk) 09:48, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Approved ALT2. I don't have other suggestions.—Bagumba (talk) 08:36, 2 January 2022 (UTC)