Template:Did you know nominations/Tugnet Ice House
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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Tugnet Ice House edit
Tugnet Ice House, Spey Bay
- ... that the Tugnet Ice House, the largest surviving ice house in the UK, is now a dolphin watching centre?
- ALT1:... that the Moray village of Spey Bay is home to the largest surviving ice house in the UK?
- Comment: I'm new to this process; SkyGazer 512 suggested nominating here after he reviewed the article. Hope I've filled this form in correctly...
Created by Girth Summit (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 21 March 2019 (UTC).
Article meets DYK date and length criteria. QPQ not required, as this is nominator's first submission (QPQ check is currently failing, so I checked using editor's contributions to template namespace.) I am assuming good faith for "The Buildings of Scotland – Aberdeenshire North and Moray" reference, as I cannot access it. In the article, you refer to "drainage slumps", but source says "drainage sump" - is slump another term for a sump, which I think is the intended meaning? (I haven't seen 'slump' used in this sense before.) The sentence "Fish would be caught in nets strung across the river..." is not supported by the citation provided; did you cite the wrong reference? Generally, intro paragraphs do not require refs, but this one does because it contains information not mentioned elsewhere in the article. Specifically, mentions of "Category A listed building in Spey Bay, Scotland" and "current structure dates from 1830" need sources (everything else in that paragraph is mentioned and cited later). Hook and ALT1 are OK, and I'll assume good faith that they are cited in the ref I cannot access.- Only a few minor modifications are needed for a pass. Mindmatrix 17:45, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your review Mindmatrix. I think I've fixed the issues. Briefly: slump was a typo, thanks for spotting it; you're right, the bit about netting the mouth of the river was from the book, I've added a citation for that; I've added a note about the date of the listing to the history section. GirthSummit (blether) 07:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Good to go, with preference for original hook. I forgot to mention earlier that the image is licenced as CC BY-SA 2.0 and is suitable at the scale needed for DYK. Mindmatrix 11:56, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this, but I have a question about the hook fact. Footnote 6, and other sources that I see online, says it is the largest surviving ice house in Scotland, not in the UK as a whole. Yoninah (talk) 19:09, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hi - that's correct, the online sources say Scotland - however, the book (which is a Pevsner Architectural Guide, pretty definite) describes it as the largest in the UK. GirthSummit (blether) 19:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit: OK, thanks. Restoring tick for offline source. Keep an eye on this nomination as it works its way through the preps and queues, in case someone questions it or pulls it. Yoninah (talk) 19:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Yoninah. Just for completeness, now that I've got the book in front of me (the full ref is in the article), here is the relevant text from p752 :
Former ICE HOUSE to W of the fish house. By far the largest surviving in the United Kingdom. Built 1830 after its predecessor was destroyed...
. My guess (and it's only a guess) as to why the other sources only say it's the biggest in Scotland, rather than the UK, is that they're Scottish Historical Environment sites - their remit is to catalogue Scottish buildings and their significance to Scotland, rather than make comparisons with English buildings. The Walker and Woodworth book is from the Pevsner series, however, which covers all of the UK and is pretty well-regarded and authoritative - if it says it's the largest in the UK, I'm pretty confident that they'll have done their homework. I will keep an eye on this page, and am happy to answer any further questions about the sourcing. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 21:09, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Yoninah. Just for completeness, now that I've got the book in front of me (the full ref is in the article), here is the relevant text from p752 :
