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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 10:22, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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Moved to mainspace by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 12:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC).

  • The article was moved to mainspace on May 26 and nominated on May 28, so it satisfies the criteria for being new. It is certainly long enough and is well cited and neutrally written. The first hook is cited in the article. The ALT hook is also properly cited, but the wording as it stands is strange. If it was changed to "...Transformers: The Last Knight is the second American film..." I think it would be the more interesting option.
Two questions for the nominator Captain Assassin!: (1) you have QPQ marked as being done "soon". Have you done one since nominating this? (2) What do you think of my proposed change to ALT1? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Striking ALT1, since Fast 8 was not the first American film to be shot in Cuba, even since the revolution. The number of qualifications that would have to be stuffed into a hook that would make it accurate would not be worthwhile. Fast 8 ultimately had to drop the Cuba angle from its hook, so I strongly advise against trying it here. The above review doesn't mention other DYK criteria, including neutrality and close paraphrasing; please be sure to check those prior to any approval. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Captain Assassin!, this cannot proceed—there's no point in my calling for a full review—without a QPQ; please supply one right away. Thank you. Note that I've pulled the Fast 8 Cuba sentence from the article because it is problematic. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:22, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Full review needed now that QPQ has been supplied; article has undergone a great many edits since the original review, so everything should be checked, including (as noted above) neutrality and close paraphrasing, which were not part of that review. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:07, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
For what it's worth, my initial review does mention "neutrally written". I recall performing copyright checks using the automated tools too, but it is too late to say that now.
I have had a look at the edits made since my original review. Whilst there have been many in quantity, it has been a lot of tinkering and only add about 1,000 bytes to the file. So by looking at this diff one can see that there is not a lot of difference in the text of the article from when I performed the original review.
I think this would qualify to pass if it was given a copyedit. As mentioned above, there have been a lot of drive-by edits which introduce such calamity as "The film is directed by Michael Bay for the final time" which makes one wonder how many times can a person direct a single film. (I realise it is meant to say his last film in the series, as stated in the proposed hook.) There are other strange sentences too, such as two people being "announced to write the script". I will have another look in a few days, and suggest Captain Assassin! or someone else give it a once over between now and then. But I do not think there are any major problems. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:18, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Athomeinkobe, I apologize; I missed your "neutrally written" comment. I clearly should have read more carefully. I'm glad also that you did do the copyright checks. It sounds like you have this under control. Given your other comments, if Captain Assassin! can't do a timely copyedit, there's always the Guild of Copy Editors. Though that could take a few weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the late, guys. I've requested the article for a quick copy-edit. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 16:12, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Athomeinkobe, are you satisfied with the article now that the copyedit has been completed? Can you finish the DYK review, or are there other issues to be dealt with? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I made some fixes myself because there were still a few minor errors. Some unsourced information has been added today, namely filming in Phoenix and Watanabe and DiMaggio as voice actors. That will need to be confirmed, but it doesn't affect the nomination so I think it is ready to go now. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Athomeinkobe, in order to finish the review, you need to add the appropriate icon (see the info just above the edit box for details) at the start of a post here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Just as a note, the sentence about filming in Cuba has been reinserted, and sourced to "comingsoon.net" which doesn't sound the most reliable. AtHomeIn神戸, could you take a look at this? Are you still satisfied that this follows WP:V? Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 13:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have just removed the reinserted sentence about Cuba and Fast 8 (which was reinstated along with its original source), and posted my reasons to the article's talk page with a ping to the editor who did the reinsertion. It strikes me that the article is pretty unstable at the moment, with 100 edits in the past week alone, though if the Cuba sentence and the one Athomeinkobe was concerned about are not reinserted, we may be in reasonable shape. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
  • The last 100 edits over the period of 8.5 days have resulted in these changes. It's a lot of tinkering, but at a little more than 10 edits per day I would not call it unstable. The bit about Cuba is not going to be used as a hook in any event, so I do not see it as a problem. The article is going to have constant changes for the next year, so if we are going to get this onto DYK I think it should be done soon while it still satisfies the newness criterion. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  • AtHomeIn神戸, I appreciate that this article will have to be edited as more information comes out, but it should satisfy WP:V at a basic level before we put it on the main page. I think that with that sentence removed, it does, at least right now. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, the newly added ref to accompany the Peter Cullen hope is a bare url, so that needs to be fixed. (I did fix the other bare url, which was also a deadlink, for the Laura Haddock tweet.) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Follow-up: I have just deleted that sentence about the Cullen hope; it's just not relevant to the movie's development. If the removal sticks, then we won't need to worry about the bare url. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:58, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Neither problematic sentence has been restored, and while the article has had a lot of edits, the problematic ones seem to be reverted in short order. If it continues, I suppose it might be worthwhile to try to get temporary protection. In the meantime, restoring AtHomeIn神戸's earlier tick since the bare urls are no longer an issue, and per Vanamonde93's most recent post. I do recommend that before promoting to prep, the promoter take a quick look to make sure there haven't been any problematic new edits, notably from a very active set of IPs. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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