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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 11:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC).
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Red Bank Plantation House edit
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that Red Bank Plantation House (pictured), a former slave plantation house in Jacksonville, Florida, is now a private home in the residential neighborhood that grew around it?
- Comment: 5x expansion on April 14.[1] The hook paraphrases from Wayne Wood's dead-tree Jacksonville's Architectural Heritage, p. 257.
5x expanded by Cuchullain (talk). Self nominated at 18:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC).
Wrong, not a 5x — this is more than 10x. Good work! Solid sourcing for pretty much everything, date is good, length is 2601 characters versus 242 before. However, your hook and the intro have two related problems: (1) both say that it was a slave plantation house, but that's not cited anywhere in the body of the article; and (2) since when were such grand houses the homes of slaves, and not the plantation owners? Sourcing is needed regardless, but extraordinary claims require solid sourcing — please be sure to cite the statement that it was a slave house or remove the statement. If we leave out that bit ("...a former plantation house..."), the hook will be fine. Meanwhile, at the end, do you mean that it's Jacksonville's second-oldest residence in use as a residence, or in use for anything at all? I'm not going to "require" anything to be done to it, since it's nowhere close to a good reason for holding up the DYK; it's simply something that I think could be improved upon. Nyttend (talk) 01:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- Ha, thanks. Sorry for the confusion, this wasn't a slave quarters, it was the master's plantation house on a slave plantation. I can remove the word "slave" if that makes it clearer. And yes, this is Jacksonville's second-oldest residence that is still used as a residence, there are some buildings that were built as residences that aren't used as such now, like Kingsley Plantation.--Cúchullain t/c 13:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- We could change the hook to: ALT: ...that Red Bank Plantation House (pictured), a former plantation house in Jacksonville, Florida, is now a private home in the residential neighborhood that grew around it?
- That's precisely what I meant by "if we leave out that bit". Thanks, too, for the clarification on the oldest-residence thing; I know nothing about Jacksonville. Only thing now is the intro, which still associates it with slavery despite nothing explicitly about slavery appearing in the body; could you please remove that or mention slavery at this plantation somewhere in the body? I'll be happy to approve then. Nyttend (talk) 15:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC) Meanwhile, testing — do you get one of the new Echo notifications when I link your username this way? Just testing to see if this works.
- I tweaked the wording on the "second-oldest residence" bit to hopefully make it clearer. I also added a link to slave plantation in the article body. I included the link initially since after the American Civil War plantations exist that obviously aren't slave plantations, but this one predated the war, and did have slaves for the entire time the building was really a "plantation house". Does that work?
- I didn't get the notification that time, but I did get it when you posted on my talk page (along with the "new messages" banner).--Cúchullain t/c 15:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you; I hope I wasn't being too picky. I was just concerned that people less familiar with US history would be confused; note that there were Southern-style plantations before the Civil War in places without slavery, such as the Kintner-Withers Farm in Indiana, so we can't assume that pre-Civil War plantations necessarily had slavery. Nyttend (talk) 16:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- I tweaked the wording on the "second-oldest residence" bit to hopefully make it clearer. I also added a link to slave plantation in the article body. I included the link initially since after the American Civil War plantations exist that obviously aren't slave plantations, but this one predated the war, and did have slaves for the entire time the building was really a "plantation house". Does that work?
- That's precisely what I meant by "if we leave out that bit". Thanks, too, for the clarification on the oldest-residence thing; I know nothing about Jacksonville. Only thing now is the intro, which still associates it with slavery despite nothing explicitly about slavery appearing in the body; could you please remove that or mention slavery at this plantation somewhere in the body? I'll be happy to approve then. Nyttend (talk) 15:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC) Meanwhile, testing — do you get one of the new Echo notifications when I link your username this way? Just testing to see if this works.
