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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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PiliPinas Debates 2016, PiliPinas Debates 2016 – Mindanao leg edit

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5x expanded by Hariboneagle927 (talk) and Roi Casilana (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) and Raymie (talk) at 19:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC).

  • While both articles are long enough and new enough, the nominator, Shhhhwwww!!, who has had a record of problematic (or non-existent) QPQs, has just been blocked for a month and retired (the fourth retirement in the past year). If someone is willing to take over this nomination within the next week—which would include supplying the required QPQs—then I'm happy to continue the review. Otherwise, the nomination will be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
  • I'd be happy to take over. I've supplied QPQs to Clifford Boulton and LG G5 to balance the two articles submitted. My thoughts:
  • The main article is a touch stubby but OK, as three of the four debates slated have not yet occurred.
  • The second article is great — it covers the debate in quite a bit of detail. It did need a bit of copyediting though, which I've attempted to deliver. The Philippines are not my specialty, so I'd suggest getting copyediting from someone more familiar with the topic. @BlueMoonset:, take a look and see if we can't get these out the door. I suggest March 19 (March 20 in the Philippines) as a date as that is when the next debate takes place. Raymie (t • c) 05:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Full review needed; it looks like I'm not going to be able to get to these in a timely fashion, and there's a suggested special occasion date above. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
  • The way I see it, a fair bit of work needs to be done on these articles.
  • For PiliPinas Debates 2016 – Mindanao leg: it starts with the naming of PiliPinas Debates 2016 – Mindanao leg. Shouldn't that be moved to just Mindanao leg? Besides, there's pretty much the entire debate transcription in the Debate section. That should be paraphrased and summarized, as not any and all statements were especially notable or interesting. Reference 28 has an error that should be fixed and there's also a {{citation needed}} template that needs to be taken care of. It suffers from close paraphrasing, too.
  • For PiliPinas Debates 2016: there are statements in the lead (second paragraph) which are not sourced. There is also extensive close paraphrasing going on.
  • The hook is grammatically incorrect (was is singular, where it should be plural were), and not even that interesting. Those commercials were not even part of the debate proper, so I would like a hook that pertains more to the debate itself rather than something remotely associated with that such as the commercial breaks.
  • Images check out though, and the articles are both long and new enough. That's my review. Looks like brave Raymie who took over has got his work cut out for him ;).—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 22:17, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Alright, let's take a look:
  • Mindanao leg:
  • Naming: There are various additional legs of the debate (for instance, next week there's the Visayas leg), and there may be other debates in Mindanao in the future.
  • I've attempted further copyediting and removal of the close paraphrasing. I can't read the quotes from the sources. The articles are in English with Tagalog quotes. I don't think you will see me attempt this type of article again.
  • General article:
  • I've gone through and reduced the close paraphrasing.
  • Hook - new proposals, one of which drops the Mindanao leg altogether:
Raymie (t • c) 23:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
  • I commend you for your progress, but I'm not yet satisfied on the close paraphrasing front. More work needs to be done to address this problem (I suggest using the Earwig Copyvio Detector to see for yourself how many phrases seem to just be lifted ad verbum from the source prose, in both articles). Those new hooks look good, by the way.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 12:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
  • @Amberrock: I've tackled the two worst areas—the Rappler/COMELEC dispute and the threatened boycott by Cagayan de Oro press. Aside from what appears to be a mirror (Mashpedia), the closest violation in the main article is 7.4% and 13.0% for the Mindanao leg, the latter largely made up of some quotes from the debate and common phrases like "Davao City mayor Rodrigo Duterte". I also had an idea for an ALT3 that may be the best hook of all:
ALT3: ... that the Mindanao leg of PiliPinas Debates 2016 was the first presidential debate organized by COMELEC since 1992?
Let me know what you think. Again, I'd like to get this out so it's out at or right before the time of the Visayas debate, 17:00 UTC+8 on the 20th. I think we're getting there now. Raymie (t • c) 05:37, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  • @Amberrock: I fixed the broken citation and brought in a source from the Mindanao leg article for the general article. Take a look now. Raymie (t • c) 18:00, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Well done Raymie! This is now good to go. I personally like ALT1 the most because of its clever use of current affairs. But ALT2 and ALT3 are hereby approved too. Thank you for all your hard work! —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 18:28, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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