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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Miss and Mister Supranational
Finals of Miss Supranational 2017
... that the 2017 Miss Supranational victory (pictured) by Jenny Kim of South Korea was the first time that country had won a major international beauty pageant? Source: "Jenny Kim of South Korea became the first Korean winner of a major international pageant" The Philippine Star; Jenny menjadi perempuan Korea pertama yang meraih mahkota dalam kontes kecantikan tingkat dunia. ("Jenny became the first Korean woman to win a crown in a world-class beauty pageant.") CNN Indonesia
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... that Jenny Kim's victory in the 2017 Miss Supranational beauty pageant (finalists pictured) was the first major international pageant win by a contestant representing South Korea?
ALT1:... that the 2018 Miss Supranational victory by Valeria Vázquez Latorre made Puerto Rico the first winner of the five most important international beauty pageants? Source: "Hace algunas semanas que la puertorriqueña Valeria Vázquez Latorre hizo historia en los certámenes de belleza luego de ganar Miss Supranacional 2018 en Polonia. Esto convirtió a la isla en el primer país que alcanza las coronas de los cinco concursos más importantes." ("It is a few weeks since Puerto Rican Valeria Vázquez Latorre made history in the beauty pageants after winning Miss Supranacional 2018 in Poland. This made the island the first country to reach the crowns of the five most important contests.") Metro Puerto Rico "La carismática joven logró regalarle a la isla, una victoria en los tres certámenes más importantes del mundo, la quinta corona internacional." ("The charismatic young woman managed to give the island a victory in the three most important competitions in the world, the fifth international crown.") Nueva MujerALT2:(Or, combine the two!) ... that in 2017, the Miss Supranational win (pictured) was the first time South Korea won any major international beauty pageant, while the 2018 win made Puerto Rico the only winner of the five most important ones? (Sources as above.)
Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk). Self-nominated at 11:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC).
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Overall:
Personally, I think the organization of the "Miss Supranational pageants" section could use some work. It seems odd to barely have two lines (at least on my desktop) per paragraph, and each paragraph starting with a person's name. Furthermore, the monetary prize is mentioned quite frequently - I don't think it needs mentioned every year. May I suggest stating the first year's monetary prize, and then only stating the prize when it changed (ex: the first year it increased to 30k, state "This year, the prize was increased to 30k" or similar). Furthermore, I'm almost certain that the article will still be at DYK prose size if that section is turned into tabular format - would this be something you may consider to help the readability of the article?
Overall, I prefer alt0, or alt0a which I've added a slight wording variation to. Alt1/2 seem to me to rely on one source's reading of "most important", and it doesn't appear to me that the "pentuple crown" (so to speak) is very well defined or even notable in its own right - but the first hook is certainly good to go in my opinion. I'll wait for your replies to the points I raise before I approve hook 0. Please ping me when you reply if you would :) -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (
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- @Berchanhimez: All done, I think. Please take a look. I'm also fine with hook ALT0a. --GRuban (talk) 17:06, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @GRuban: Good to go now for ALT0/ALT0a - and the article is much easier on the eyes and easier to pick information out from table format for those competitions. Also still more than meets the prose requirement even after table conversion. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 18:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- And if there's anything we should expect, nay demand, of an article about two beauty pageants, it's being easy on the eyes. --GRuban (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- The hooks are not grammatically correct. ALT0 leads with Jenny Kim in the first clause and the country in the second. I prefer ALT0a, but it should say:
- ALT0a-1: ... that Jenny Kim's victory in the 2017 Miss Supranational beauty pageant (finalists pictured) marked the first time a contestant representing South Korea won a major international pageant? Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Fine with that as well, thank you! --GRuban (talk) 12:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- @GRuban: the first paragraph under "Puteri Indonesia Pariwisata" needs a cite per Rule D2. BTW the image looks good at thumbnail size but when I click on it, it's incredibly blurry. I would like to use the image, but I wonder if others will be disappointed when they click on it. Yoninah (talk) 19:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, it's not a great image at full size. The pageant is televised, of course, but it seems by a commercial company who sells the rights to a TV network for a non-negligible amount of money. So while there are plenty of images on the Internet, they're "fair use", we can't use them. We have images of most of the winners in their articles, but not of Jenny Kim, strangely enough. I looked. I thought I was lucky to find this frame in an amateur video of the taken by a friend of a competitor, since it's not just of Jenny Kim but of the actual ceremony stage seconds before the triumphal award. I can even grab one of a few seconds later, but when she heard the announcement that she won, she did the classic beauty pageant winner thing of bowing her head into her hands and crying, so she would be even less visible then I'm afraid. I understand the DYK image requirement is that it look good at 100px, which, I think this does? But you're the expert - if you want to run it without an image, that will work too. I will ping you when I've cited that paragraph, probably tomorrow. --GRuban (talk) 23:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Cited where requested. --GRuban (talk) 14:46, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. Restoring tick for ALT0a-1 per Berchanhimez's review. And yes, I agree the image looks fine at thumbnail size. :) Yoninah (talk) 17:24, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Personally, I think the organization of the "Miss Supranational pageants" section could use some work. It seems odd to barely have two lines (at least on my desktop) per paragraph, and each paragraph starting with a person's name. Furthermore, the monetary prize is mentioned quite frequently - I don't think it needs mentioned every year. May I suggest stating the first year's monetary prize, and then only stating the prize when it changed (ex: the first year it increased to 30k, state "This year, the prize was increased to 30k" or similar). Furthermore, I'm almost certain that the article will still be at DYK prose size if that section is turned into tabular format - would this be something you may consider to help the readability of the article?Overall, I prefer alt0, or alt0a which I've added a slight wording variation to. Alt1/2 seem to me to rely on one source's reading of "most important", and it doesn't appear to me that the "pentuple crown" (so to speak) is very well defined or even notable in its own right - but the first hook is certainly good to go in my opinion. I'll wait for your replies to the points I raise before I approve hook 0. Please ping me when you reply if you would :) -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC) -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)