- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by CSJJ104 (talk) 21:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
| DYK toolbox |
|---|
Linus Roth
... that Linus Roth recorded all compositions by Mieczysław Weinberg with solo violin, and initiated the International Mieczysław Weinberg Society? Source: several
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:05, 25 August 2022 (UTC).
New enough and long enough and the hook is verified and used in the body of the article. No obvious copyright violations, the quid pro quo is done. The citations and references are correct. I am not particularly interested in the second part of the hook. Can it be shortened to remove the "and initiated the International Mieczysław Weinberg Society?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightburst (talk • contribs) 00:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. While I believe that it's a big step from a private interest from private interest to an international endavour, I'll give you an ALT1 but not right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Gerda Arendt:. Lightburst (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: any progress? Lightburst (talk) 23:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Any rush?
ALT1: ... that after Linus Roth recorded Mieczysław Weinberg's Violin Sonatas and Violin Concerto, he recorded in 2015 the composer's three sonatas for violin solo, interspersed with Shostakovich's Three Fantastic Dances?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)- Sorry, did not mean to rush you. I was just checking back so I could complete the review. The new hook is wordy and complicated in my opinion. Lightburst (talk) 11:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, that's why I simplified in the original. However, the ALT gives a better idea of what kind these "all works" are. We could of course stop after solo, but the much better known Shostakowich gives not only a good idea of the context (because otherwise the works might come from the 18th century), but also has a title that might appeal to even a reader who knows nothing about violin music: "fantastic dances". So, by now I prefer the ALT. I can work on including some reviewer's impression, but again: not now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Linus Roth recorded all compositions by Mieczysław Weinberg with solo violin using a rare and expensive 1703 Stradivarius violin which is called the "Dancla"?
- @Gerda Arendt: I find this new hook interesting. It is referenced and appears in the article. Let me know what you think and I can approve it. Lightburst (talk) 16:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- It is referenced that he plays it but I am not sure since when, and if he did all Weinberg recordings with that instrument. "rare and expensive" is not in the article, and should not be. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: It is in there. I put it in with a Reuters reference. And the article you have provided said that he used the violin. Regarding how long he has had it:
Since 1998 it is in the possession of the L-Bank Baden-Wuerttemberg and on loan to the German violinist Linus Roth
The instrument is rarer than hen's teeth so I thought it would add to the hook. According to ReutersStradivari's violins are known for their exquisite craftsmanship. They cost between $8 million and $20 million, according to Leonhard.
. Here is another Reuters article about Roth and his treasured violin. We can add the article if it is needed. You can also see the violin Weinberg*, Linus Roth, José Gallardo – Complete Sonatas And Works - with credit to the violin the Dancla. Lightburst (talk) 23:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)- Sorry, I was not clear, English is not my first language. I meant that we don't have to tell our readers that those violins are precious, in the few characters we are allowed, but also not in his article, - it's nothing particular to the subject. Thank you for investigating, - how is this:
- ALT2a: ... that Linus Roth, who plays the 1703 Dancla Stradivarius violin, recorded all compositions by Mieczysław Weinberg with solo violin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: It is in there. I put it in with a Reuters reference. And the article you have provided said that he used the violin. Regarding how long he has had it:
- It is referenced that he plays it but I am not sure since when, and if he did all Weinberg recordings with that instrument. "rare and expensive" is not in the article, and should not be. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, that's why I simplified in the original. However, the ALT gives a better idea of what kind these "all works" are. We could of course stop after solo, but the much better known Shostakowich gives not only a good idea of the context (because otherwise the works might come from the 18th century), but also has a title that might appeal to even a reader who knows nothing about violin music: "fantastic dances". So, by now I prefer the ALT. I can work on including some reviewer's impression, but again: not now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, did not mean to rush you. I was just checking back so I could complete the review. The new hook is wordy and complicated in my opinion. Lightburst (talk) 11:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: any progress? Lightburst (talk) 23:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Gerda Arendt:. Lightburst (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I think we are a go. Perhaps either hook can be used? I struck the two that we are not using. Meantime: I will see if I can start an article on the Dancla. Nearly every Stradavaious violin will have RS. Thanks @Gerda Arendt: Lightburst (talk) 13:44, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. You should not approve your "own" hook ALT2, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: oh thanks, I was not familiar with the procedure. Additionally I completed an article on the violin. I added a link to the famous violin. In my opinion the reason it is significant to mention the Strad violin: only a virtuoso would be loaned such a precious and priceless instrument. They are considered the best and they are certainly the most prized and expensive violins in existence. So it speaks to Linus Roth's genius on the violin that he has one. Lightburst (talk) 18:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
a new reviewer is needed to check ALT2 and ALT2a :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- no, theleekycauldron, only ALT2 needs a reviewer if wanted, ALT2a is by me, which Lightburst could approve, and which could be used --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: ALT2a still contains the new fact about the "Dancla" violin (I played many of Dancla's fantasias), suggested by Lightburst – that needs to be verified as cited by someone else. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but the sources are in this review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sources added by Lightburst – I wouldn't accept an approval of ALT2a from them. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I won't argue. I believe an independent source is an independent source. If there's a source that he plays that violin, it doesn't matter who put it in the article. The fact and a source for it were in the article by me before any reviewer showed up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sources added by Lightburst – I wouldn't accept an approval of ALT2a from them. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but the sources are in this review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: ALT2a still contains the new fact about the "Dancla" violin (I played many of Dancla's fantasias), suggested by Lightburst – that needs to be verified as cited by someone else. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- no, theleekycauldron, only ALT2 needs a reviewer if wanted, ALT2a is by me, which Lightburst could approve, and which could be used --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: oh thanks, I was not familiar with the procedure. Additionally I completed an article on the violin. I added a link to the famous violin. In my opinion the reason it is significant to mention the Strad violin: only a virtuoso would be loaned such a precious and priceless instrument. They are considered the best and they are certainly the most prized and expensive violins in existence. So it speaks to Linus Roth's genius on the violin that he has one. Lightburst (talk) 18:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. You should not approve your "own" hook ALT2, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
