Template:Did you know nominations/Keshavlal Dhruv

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The result was: promoted by Fuebaey (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Keshavlal Dhruv

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~~... that Keshavlal Dhruv was the first professor of Gujarati language and literature?~~

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Protonectarina

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self nominated at 15:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC).

Note: October 17 is his 155th birthday.

I moved the nomination to October 3, the date of mainspace move. Do not move to "special occasions" section; it's not for new nominations unless reviewed and approved. --George Ho (talk) 04:34, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, i mistaken. -Nizil (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

The hooked claim is not clear. Was he the first person to be professor ever or first professor of these subjects in that particular collage.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 05:42, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Vigyani, Keshavlal Dhruv was the first professor of these subjects ever. He was the first professor who taught Gujarati language and literature. It is not about the perticular college. -Nizil (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Nizil, it has been over a month since you nominated this, and you still haven't supplied a QPQ review. This is needed before I can call for a full review of the nomination. Please supply one soon. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Ohh, i forget that i submitted at DYK. I am submitting QPQ. - Nizil (talk) 15:41, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Full review needed now that QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:49, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: I tried to review it. But I am still not happy with the hooked claim. Dadabhai Naoroji also was a professor of Gujrati (at University College London) and he taught much before as compared to current subject. I will suggest you to come with a new hook. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 02:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
New Hook (ALT1): ... that Keshavlal Dhruv compiled fifteenth century Apabhramsa and old Gujarati poems and published them in 1927?

I posted new hook, Vigyani. Please review it.-Nizil (talk) 17:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Article length and newness okay. Article is neutral, cited well with inline sources. Citation to Gujarti language source and the offline book taken on good faith. No close paraphrasing, copyright violations found. I have done some minor ce to ALT1. @Nizil Shah: In which language were those poems? --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 03:22, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

In Apbhramsa and old Gujarati as it was titled Pandarma Shatakna Prachin Gurjar Kavyo (fifteenth century ancient Gurjar poems).

Kindly add this information to the article and to the hook to make it more complete. In present ALT1, language of the poems is not mentioned.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 07:26, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Changes in hook as suggested. -Nizil (talk) 09:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Keshavlal Dhruv compiled fifteenth century Apabhramsa and old Gujarati poems and published them in 1927?
ALT1 repeated above good to go. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 10:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I have doubts as to whether the hook fact is supported by the given source. I believe this nomination may need a new review. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 17:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Then we need someone who can read Gujarati.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 18:03, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

You may check an English ref which ensures that he compiled 15th century poems. For Apbhramsa/old Gujarati will only Gujarati ref is there. :( -Nizil (talk) 19:07, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Nizil, I can verify from Gujarati source that પંદરમા શતકનાં પ્રાચીન ગુર્જરકાવ્ય (Pandarma Shatakna Prachin Gurjar Kavyo) was published by him in 1927. But the source does not say it is અપભ્રંશ (Apabhramsa). My Gujarati is basic; so forgive me if I missed it. The English Sahitya Akademi says that Pandarma Shatakna Prachin Gurjar Kavyo is a collection of 15th century Gujarati poems.Redtigerxyz ^Talk 08:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you,User:Redtigerxyz for reviewing much awaited DYK. 15th century Gujarati was nothing but Apbhramsa. I think I should change the hook to its past version verifiable by English ref and removed Apbhramsa too. Is it OK now? -Nizil (talk) 09:53, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Keshavlal Dhruv compiled fifteenth century Gujarati poems and published them in 1927?

2704KB, within policy, 3 oct creation. The article is good. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 10:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)