- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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Jueteng
A jueteng kubrador collecting numbers
... that despite beingSource: Officially illegal: Greenlees, Donald (2006-09-22). "Illegal? Numbers game still wins Filipinos' bets". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2020-06-26. (see also: An act increasing the penalties for illegal numbers games, amending certain provisions of Presidential Decree No. 1602, and for other purposes (Republic Act 9287). Congress of the Philippines. April 2, 2004.) ; 13%–15% of Filipinos: Mangahas, Maher (2010-10-02). "A survey on gambling". Philippine Daily Inquirer. Retrieved 2020-06-26 – via PressReader.officiallyillegal, jueteng is played by 13%–15% of Filipinos?
5x expanded by Psiĥedelisto (talk) and Chipmunkdavis (talk · contribs). Self-nominated at 14:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC).
New enough and plenty long enough expansion. QPQ present. Sources for the hook are in the article where needed and all check out. Psiĥedelisto, I do worry that With long odds and no limits on minimum or maximum bets, the prospect of quick riches through a lucrative payout earned with only a small wager is its strongest appeal. While the payouts are not high, they can be extremely significant for those living in poverty.
is too close to [1]... Was that text in a pre-expansion edition? Raymie (t • c) 21:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, Raymie, yes it was. Good catch, I'll rewrite it and ping you when I do. Sorry. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 21:51, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Raymie: Fixed, thanks again! Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 22:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: Thank you! It's now
good to go! Raymie (t • c) 22:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote ALT1. The source is not giving a range of 13–15% of Filipinos; it is saying that 13% of women and 15% of men play this game. How about writing it this way:
- ALT0a: ... that despite being
officiallyillegal, jueteng is played by 1 out of every 7 Filipinos? Yoninah (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I'm okay with that. I hope you'll include the image when promoting, it's essential I'd say. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 11:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: Weeelll... the image is almost unreadable at thumbnail size, and when I clicked on it, I still couldn't figure out what was going on. I tried to find another image to suggest from the article, but nothing there stands out as a thumbnail. How about using this for the quirky slot? Yoninah (talk) 11:26, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I'm okay with that. I hope you'll include the image when promoting, it's essential I'd say. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 11:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: Thank you! It's now
Quirky slot? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 11:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Also just remembered I uploaded a bunch to c:Category:Tambiolos—maybe you fancy one of them? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 11:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: those images give the hook away as referring to bingo. Is that what you want to do? Personally, I think the hook works best in a non-image slot. Yoninah (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- What does Chipmunkdavis think? They helped me write a good deal of the article's text. If they're okay with a non image hook, I am too. It's rare the Philippines is featured prominently on the homepage, so I personally see it as a downgrade, but let's see what they say. :-) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 22:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- As a minor point I think the hook could drop the word "officially" as it seems redundant. As for the picture, it's nice but I also understand how it might not make sense for someone unfamiliar with the topic. Perhaps a different caption might help, such as "Jueteng bets recorded by hand", or "A jueteng kubrador collecting numbers". CMD (talk) 00:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah and Chipmunkdavis: I like the caption "A jueteng kubrador collecting numbers", and replaced it above. Also, I noticed that actually the image is supposed to be 40 pixels wider as per the comment, so it's now easier to see. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 00:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- I think what bothers me about the image is it's a piece of a body. There's no head, so there's no orientation for the viewer. We have a Philippines Embassy hook coming up in the image slot ... Yoninah (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Well, it's understandable, isn't it? He is officially a criminal, as the hook states! If you think it will be jarring to have two in a row (I know who wrote that embassy article without even checking, Wikipedia is a small world—hello Gg. Sky Harbor!), why not delay this a week? My hooks sometimes take months to be reviewed, but Raymie was awesome enough to snipe this one fast. So, it can be delayed a week or two. To me, to get the image slot, it's worth it. But, I'd say, there are American image hooks back to back all the time and no one complains. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 09:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- You're a good salesman. But the picture speaks for itself. Yes, we have plenty of U.S. images and even more U.S. hooks, because this is the English Wikipedia and most of our readers and editors are U.S. based. Yoninah (talk) 09:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Funny, that's not a complement I usually get. :-) Don't forget WP:GLOBAL/WP:MONDIAL/WP:CSB, some of us aren't (yet) resigned to the fate of Americanization. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 09:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Restoring tick for ALT0a. I personally wouldn't recommend this image, and I think the hook works much better in the quirky slot, where the foreign name will also elicit curiosity. (BTW even at a larger size, that string of tickets looks like liquid pouring out of a hose.) Yoninah (talk) 09:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Outside of special holding, US pictures make up just under a quarter of approved images, so that's a lot but not as bad as it could be. Given the hook here is not dependent on the image, could it be left up to whoever picks it for the prep queue whether to include it or not as fits future need? Either way, it probably shouldn't be included alongside either of the approved Philippine Embassy hooks. CMD (talk) 09:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- I'd appreciate it if both of you would try not to accuse DYK of favoritism. Each hook and image is judged on its own merits. Blurry, dark, and hard to distinguish images will not make it into the first slot no matter how much nominators beg. One of those Philippine embassy hook images is also unsuitable for the image slot because it is too dark. The best thing you can do is nominate a bright, eye-catching image, and it will speak for itself. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 09:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- I have not once accused DYK of favoritism. Nor have I strongly advocated the inclusion of this image, or the embassy images. CMD (talk) 09:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis: Sorry for misreading your post. Yoninah (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- I have not once accused DYK of favoritism. Nor have I strongly advocated the inclusion of this image, or the embassy images. CMD (talk) 09:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- I'd appreciate it if both of you would try not to accuse DYK of favoritism. Each hook and image is judged on its own merits. Blurry, dark, and hard to distinguish images will not make it into the first slot no matter how much nominators beg. One of those Philippine embassy hook images is also unsuitable for the image slot because it is too dark. The best thing you can do is nominate a bright, eye-catching image, and it will speak for itself. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 09:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Outside of special holding, US pictures make up just under a quarter of approved images, so that's a lot but not as bad as it could be. Given the hook here is not dependent on the image, could it be left up to whoever picks it for the prep queue whether to include it or not as fits future need? Either way, it probably shouldn't be included alongside either of the approved Philippine Embassy hooks. CMD (talk) 09:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Funny, that's not a complement I usually get. :-) Don't forget WP:GLOBAL/WP:MONDIAL/WP:CSB, some of us aren't (yet) resigned to the fate of Americanization. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 09:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- You're a good salesman. But the picture speaks for itself. Yes, we have plenty of U.S. images and even more U.S. hooks, because this is the English Wikipedia and most of our readers and editors are U.S. based. Yoninah (talk) 09:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Well, it's understandable, isn't it? He is officially a criminal, as the hook states! If you think it will be jarring to have two in a row (I know who wrote that embassy article without even checking, Wikipedia is a small world—hello Gg. Sky Harbor!), why not delay this a week? My hooks sometimes take months to be reviewed, but Raymie was awesome enough to snipe this one fast. So, it can be delayed a week or two. To me, to get the image slot, it's worth it. But, I'd say, there are American image hooks back to back all the time and no one complains. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 09:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- I think what bothers me about the image is it's a piece of a body. There's no head, so there's no orientation for the viewer. We have a Philippines Embassy hook coming up in the image slot ... Yoninah (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah and Chipmunkdavis: I like the caption "A jueteng kubrador collecting numbers", and replaced it above. Also, I noticed that actually the image is supposed to be 40 pixels wider as per the comment, so it's now easier to see. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 00:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- As a minor point I think the hook could drop the word "officially" as it seems redundant. As for the picture, it's nice but I also understand how it might not make sense for someone unfamiliar with the topic. Perhaps a different caption might help, such as "Jueteng bets recorded by hand", or "A jueteng kubrador collecting numbers". CMD (talk) 00:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- What does Chipmunkdavis think? They helped me write a good deal of the article's text. If they're okay with a non image hook, I am too. It's rare the Philippines is featured prominently on the homepage, so I personally see it as a downgrade, but let's see what they say. :-) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 22:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: those images give the hook away as referring to bingo. Is that what you want to do? Personally, I think the hook works best in a non-image slot. Yoninah (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)