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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Jordan Poole in 2018
Jordan Poole in 2018

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 01:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC).

  • Here's a review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is freely licensed. QPQ done.
  • Regarding the hooks:
  • ALT0: hook ref verified and cited inline. But this hook is too long and has too much information in it. Perhaps the second event needn't be named.
  • ALT1: I see the hook ref for the career-high part, but where's the team-high source? Otherwise I like this hook the best.
  • ALT2 and ALT3: I don't get it. Poole Party redirects to Buzzer beater, and there is no mention of a pool party in the latter article. People who know nothing about basketball (like me) won't understand this, much less laugh at it. Yoninah (talk) 19:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Yoninah, did you comingle your commentary on ALT2 and ALT3. The comments only seem relevant to ALT2. Can you clarify your thoughts on ALT3. (ALT0 and ALT1 would not be for AFDAY).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I did. The term "Poole Party" is incomprehensible to most readers. Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Yoninah, The Jordan Poole article has two references that use the term in their headline titles and I could dig up more. Do I need to use the term in the article? Or are you saying that the term "Poole party" is so drastically different than the term "Pool party" that no reader could comprehend a joke about the former? Or are you saying that people would even be dumbfounded by the term pool party?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Yoninah, I just added a Reuters ref that also uses the term. I can add more if you like.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Since so many media sources use the term Poole Party! to describe the shot, maybe I should add Jordan Poole to Pool party (disambiguation).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Whereas sources like Reuters uses the term in the title (as an obvious joke) The New York Times uses the term in the text of the article about the game.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:52, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: TonyTheTiger, I strongly recommend that this attempt at an April Fools' hook be dropped, and a hook proposed so that it can run immediately after April 1 while the tournament is still running. Two reviewers have indicated that the Poole party joke doesn't work well for AFD, though you seem to think it should, and this nomination will almost certainly sit here unapproved unless you move on. It's up to you. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
  • I have non-AFD hooks above, but I find it unfathomable that they were even reviewing the right hook. ALT3 is simple and structured just about the same way it is used to grab the readers attention in the Reuters headline as a pun. Obviously even people who don't know much about basketball understand that they don't have swimming pools at basketball games, which makes the pun funny and attention grabbing according to widespread editorial opinion that we respect here at WP. That is what AFDay hooks are all about. The Poole Party is people celebrating a game-winning shot in a basketball game by Jordan Poole and not a party at a swimming pool. A very broad spectrum of editors consider this to be funny and attention grabbing pun suitable as a headline. In addition, The New York Times feels its readers will find it funny at the end of a story as a punchline. We are not talking about special interest groups of audiences. We are talking about Reuters and The New York Times editors using it for their very mainstream viewership. This hook would find an audience on DYK if it is that mainstream.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
The articles you're citing as evidence for the hilarity of this joke are all articles about basketball. If you don't care about basketball, the claim that there was a pool party at a basketball tournament is neither surprising nor interesting, especially if you've never heard of a basketball player called Poole. I read that and my reaction wasn't "WTF?" or a sharp exhalation of mirth, like a good April Fool's DYK would provoke. It was "huh? what does that even mean?" and then, after clicking on the links and finding out what it meant, my reaction was "Well that was 30 seconds I'm never getting back." --Slashme (talk) 23:17, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Slashme has expressed my opinion exactly. People who are not interested in basketball will not know what ALT2 or ALT3 or ALT4 is talking about. If you would like this added to Prep 6 for April 2, could you answer my questions on ALT0 and ALT1? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you. The hook fact is verified and cited inline. However, I would use the language in the article, "nearly identical" to add a little more interest to the hook:
  • ALT9: ... that Jordan Poole (pictured) made a game-winning buzzer beater three point shot in the 2018 NCAA basketball tournament that was nearly identical to his 2017 Dick's National High School Championship game shot?
  • ALT9 good to go for April 3. Yoninah (talk) 16:29, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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