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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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Geoffrey Ling edit
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that U.S. Army neurologist Dr. Geoffrey Ling (pictured) described the problem of developing a proper sense of touch in artificial arms as "doggone hard"? - ALT3 ... that U.S. Army neurologist Dr. Geoffrey Ling (pictured) described the problem of developing quality artificial arms, which include a proper sense of touch, as "doggone hard"?
Created by PumpkinSky (talk), Littleolive oil (talk). Nominated by PumpkinSky (talk) at 21:51, 8 June 2013 (UTC).
- The Hook is incorrect: the article and the reference do not talk about developing "a proper sense of touch"- they talk simply of developing an artificial arm. "Colonel Geoffrey Ling, a critical-care physician and neurologist, was first deployed to Afghanistan in 2003. “There was not a single day that went by when I wasn’t taking care of a patient that was missing a limb,” says Ling. But when he returned to the United States, Ling realized that upper-limb prosthetic options for returning vets are limited. Leg prosthetics are far more advanced than upper-limb prosthetics, simply because upper-limb prosthetics—artificial arms and hands—make up a much smaller slice of the prosthetics market and designing them is “doggone hard,” says Ling."
The article itself is acceptable for DYK (created within time frame, right length and within BLP regs) - but the hook itself is not factually accurate to what the article and reference say. --Rushton2010 (talk) 00:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Then it's in one of the other refs and/or in combo with this one. Let me find it. PumpkinSky talk 00:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's in the "Missing Touch" article in 'The Scientist' here. The lack of touch is the hardest part of this problem, so perhaps we just need to tweak the article and hook, and add this ref into another spot. This "Missing Touch" article talks about it extensively, some quotes include: "If you can’t feel anything, your hand is pretty close to useless. That is basically the problem with prosthetic hands for the last century—no touch", "no matter how well your muscles are working, if you can’t feel anything, your hand is pretty close to useless", " Because of a lack of touch, upper-limb prosthetic users like Pandit must look at their prosthetic hands the whole time they use them. “Using an upper-limb prosthesis is incredibly cognitively involved,” says Paul Marasco, a sensory neurophysiologist at the Advanced Platform Technology (APT) Center at the US Department of Veterans Affairs. “You’re essentially substituting vision for touch.”", "Unfortunately, the prosthetics research community has put most of its efforts into making arms with wider ranges of motion and more powerful motors, not tactile feedback. It’s like building a car with an engine but no wheels, muses Loeb, and then declaring,", "Touch, researchers agree, is our most complicated sense. It involves the perception of three-dimensional shapes and sizes, textures, vibrations, temperature, and pressure. Touch provides a sense of where our limbs are in space (a poorly understood phenomenon called proprioception: see sidebar, “Sixth Sense,” at the end of the article) and detects a huge range of forces, from the lightest brush of a cat’s fur on one’s fingertips to the smack of a baseball into one’s palm." There are several other pertinent passages, but this should give one the sense of the magnitude of the problem. I'll think on appropriate tweaks, if you have some, please propose or just make them. Developing a proper sense of touch seems to be the hardest part of developing a quality artificial arm. PumpkinSky talk 00:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes the submitter has connected the problem listed in one reference to a quote listed in another. So we need to stick to the "doggone" quote or the the fact that its hard to develop a sense of touch. I would suggest either:
- It's in the "Missing Touch" article in 'The Scientist' here. The lack of touch is the hardest part of this problem, so perhaps we just need to tweak the article and hook, and add this ref into another spot. This "Missing Touch" article talks about it extensively, some quotes include: "If you can’t feel anything, your hand is pretty close to useless. That is basically the problem with prosthetic hands for the last century—no touch", "no matter how well your muscles are working, if you can’t feel anything, your hand is pretty close to useless", " Because of a lack of touch, upper-limb prosthetic users like Pandit must look at their prosthetic hands the whole time they use them. “Using an upper-limb prosthesis is incredibly cognitively involved,” says Paul Marasco, a sensory neurophysiologist at the Advanced Platform Technology (APT) Center at the US Department of Veterans Affairs. “You’re essentially substituting vision for touch.”", "Unfortunately, the prosthetics research community has put most of its efforts into making arms with wider ranges of motion and more powerful motors, not tactile feedback. It’s like building a car with an engine but no wheels, muses Loeb, and then declaring,", "Touch, researchers agree, is our most complicated sense. It involves the perception of three-dimensional shapes and sizes, textures, vibrations, temperature, and pressure. Touch provides a sense of where our limbs are in space (a poorly understood phenomenon called proprioception: see sidebar, “Sixth Sense,” at the end of the article) and detects a huge range of forces, from the lightest brush of a cat’s fur on one’s fingertips to the smack of a baseball into one’s palm." There are several other pertinent passages, but this should give one the sense of the magnitude of the problem. I'll think on appropriate tweaks, if you have some, please propose or just make them. Developing a proper sense of touch seems to be the hardest part of developing a quality artificial arm. PumpkinSky talk 00:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Then it's in one of the other refs and/or in combo with this one. Let me find it. PumpkinSky talk 00:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- The Hook is incorrect: the article and the reference do not talk about developing "a proper sense of touch"- they talk simply of developing an artificial arm. "Colonel Geoffrey Ling, a critical-care physician and neurologist, was first deployed to Afghanistan in 2003. “There was not a single day that went by when I wasn’t taking care of a patient that was missing a limb,” says Ling. But when he returned to the United States, Ling realized that upper-limb prosthetic options for returning vets are limited. Leg prosthetics are far more advanced than upper-limb prosthetics, simply because upper-limb prosthetics—artificial arms and hands—make up a much smaller slice of the prosthetics market and designing them is “doggone hard,” says Ling."
- ALT1 ... that U.S. Army neurologist Dr. Geoffrey Ling (pictured) described developing artificial arms as "doggone hard"?
- ALT2 ... that U.S. Army neurologist Dr. Geoffrey Ling (pictured) thought the hardest problem when creating artificial arms, is developing a proper sense of touch?
--Rushton2010 (talk) 00:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've made tweaks to the article. How about ALT3... that U.S. Army neurologist Dr. Geoffrey Ling (pictured) described the problem of developing quality artificial arms, which include a proper sense of touch, as "doggone hard"? ... PumpkinSky talk 00:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Any of the three alts is fine with me. PumpkinSky talk 00:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- I'm happy with Alt 3.
- Any of the three alts is fine with me. PumpkinSky talk 00:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've made tweaks to the article. How about ALT3... that U.S. Army neurologist Dr. Geoffrey Ling (pictured) described the problem of developing quality artificial arms, which include a proper sense of touch, as "doggone hard"? ... PumpkinSky talk 00:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Problems rectified and all looks good to go: ALT3 preferred. --Rushton2010 (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
