Template:Did you know nominations/Eckwersheim derailment

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 12:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Eckwersheim derailment edit

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Derailed train

... that a TGV train (pictured) derailed in Eckwersheim, France, killing at least ten people and injuring 32 others?

ALT1:... that the derailment of a TGV train (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, killed at least ten people and injured 32 others?
ALT2:... that a TGV train derailment (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, killed at least ten people and injured 32 others?
ALT3:... that a TGV train (pictured) derailed in Eckwersheim, France, killing at least ten people and injuring 32 others, a day after the determinedly unrelated recent attacks in Paris?
ALT4:... that, a day after the determinedly unrelated recent attacks in Paris, the derailment of a TGV train (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, killed at least ten people and injured 32 others?
ALT5:... that, a day after the determinedly unrelated recent attacks in Paris, a TGV train derailment (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, killed at least ten people and injured 32 others?
ALT6:... that, a day after the determinedly unrelated recent attacks in Paris, a TGV train (pictured) derailed in Eckwersheim, France, killing at least ten people and sparking fears of terrorism?
ALT7:... that, a day after the determinedly unrelated recent attacks in Paris, a TGV train derailment (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, killed at least ten people and sparked fears of terrorism?
ALT8:... that, a day after the determinedly unrelated recent attacks in Paris, the derailment of a TGV train (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, killed at least ten people and sparked fears of terrorism?
ALT9:... that, a day after the determinedly unrelated recent attacks in Paris, the derailment of a TGV train (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, sparked fears of terrorism?
ALT10:... that the train derailment (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, which killed at least ten people and injured 32 others, was TGV's "first fatal derailment" in history?
ALT11:... that the train derailment (pictured) in Eckwersheim, France, which killed at least ten people and injured 32 others, was the first fatal derailment in the history of the TGV?
ALT12:...that the Eckwersheim derailment (pictured) is the only fatal accident of the TGV since it entered commercial service in 1981?

ALT13:...that the Eckwersheim derailment (pictured) in November 2015 is the only fatal accident of the TGV since it entered commercial service in 1981?
Reviewed: Liao Changyong
Comment: Failed ITN nomination. There are many others on the same day; I credit AHeneen as the fifth author of the article. Feel free to credit others who may deserve it.

Created by A bit iffy (talk), B137 (talk), Mjroots (talk), and UkPaolo (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 21:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC).

Comment: Are we leaving out "first fatal accident" since this was a test run and therefore shouldn't count? Since there were no passengers, you could get technical and say that other TGV-related deaths may have occurred, perhaps during construction. None of this should be credited to me since my blurb was "In France, 10 people are killed when the first fatal accident in the history of the TGV occurs during a test run on a new line." B137 (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm crediting you for the article, B137, not the hooks. Also, I can't use "first fatal accident"; I need something hook-y and more interesting. George Ho (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think the "first fatal derailment" thing is more "hooky". It's certainly a significant occurrence as regards TGVs which have a very good safety record. I've added another suggested wording as Alt11.--A bit iffy (talk) 23:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

+1 to ALT11. There is absolutely no reason to bring up the totally unrelated Paris attacks. Daniel Case (talk) 04:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Further to my comment above, I now think ALT12 and ALT 13 are better.--A bit iffy (talk) 05:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Oppose DYK is supposed to be for things that had an organic spike in interest, or that are new and interesting and generally well-written. Using DYK as a copout for a failed news nomination is disingenuous. Any breaking news story of even moderate national (to a "major" nation) or world significance gets an article that both grows rapidly and is virally popular for a short run. Wikipedia has actually been credited by critics for being good at aggregating news quickly and with relatively low bias. Would support this as a DYK if it wasn't major news right now. B137 (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

You can't vote in DYK. Also, under rules, since you edited, you're not qualified as a reviewer, B137, so... I'll add your suggestion as ALT10. Here are WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG rules. Meanwhile, can you strike out your vote? George Ho (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment - death toll is now 11. Mjroots (talk) 22:54, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I said "at least ten". Besides, one additional death won't make much difference. How about ten more instead? George Ho (talk) 02:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment I've added ALT 12 & 13. In my opinion, it is not necessary to note how many died and were injured. Instead of saying "first", the blurbs use "only". This is to make it more interesting. For the average reader, "first" could mean an event in 1982 and there could have been many fatal accidents. For this reason, I've also added the date in ALT13. However, I'm not sure which of 12 or 13 is better. AHeneen (talk) 02:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I think ALT12 and ALT13 are the best two options. --A bit iffy (talk) 05:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Full review needed now that hooks are set. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

This article is long enough and new enough. Since a month has passed since the derailment, ALT13 is better than ALT12, and I have struck all the rest of the hooks. The image is appropriately licensed, the article is neutral and seems to be free of copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)