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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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Dagmar Schmidt
Dagmar Schmidt in 2017
... that Dagmar Schmidt (pictured) is the first single mother of a Down syndrome baby to become a member of the German Bundestag?Source: Eine unverheiratete Frau mit neugeborenem Down-Kind hat es im Deutschen Bundestag noch nicht gegeben. Cicero.de
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- Comment: Happy for this to run with or without image (don't have a more exciting one)
Created by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 10:58, 1 February 2020 (UTC).
- I would like to review this but later. Personally touched: I have a friend of the same name - different person - and I have a lot of support for the right not to know. First impression: the article has many positions, but what she stands for - other than that right - is not obvious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Kusma. for an interesting unusual bio, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, and shows well, perhaps a crop would help to show more face, less blouse. I am not quite happy with the hook. Can we drop that "first" and just say that she combines parliament work and care of the Down child, - not a baby any more in 2020. Or quote not having to defend a child's birth? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)- Thank you for adding to the article. Do we have to say Gießen three times in the "born" sentence? However "the right not to know" needs the context of prenatal diagnostic, - it's too far away. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the comments! I'll try to remove some Gießen :) I had no idea she was this interesting when I started this article just to fill Yet Another Red Link in List of members of the 19th Bundestag. But yeah, my sensationalist headline isn't the best. I should also drop "single mother" as (a) it seems the father (or someone else) is involved in caring for the child and (b) whether or not the father lives with the mother isn't our business anyway. I have cropped the image (original image was this one). More (too many?) hook suggestions below. Let me know what you think! —Kusma (t·c) 21:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- There are two mentions of "prenatal testing" / "prenatal diagnostics" in that paragraph, and I think the second one is close enough to "right to know", but I'm sure the flow of that paragraph can be improved further. —Kusma (t·c) 21:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- ALT1
... that Dagmar Schmidt (pictured) supports a Willkommenskultur for all children? - ALT2
... that Dagmar Schmidt (pictured) had her microphone turned off during a speech when she demanded a Willkommenskultur for all children? - ALT3
... that Dagmar Schmidt (pictured) supports a "right not to know" and to decline prenatal testing? - ALT4
... that Dagmar Schmidt (pictured), who became a member of the German parliament in 2013 as mother of a baby with Down syndrome, supports a "right not to know" and to decline prenatal testing?
- ALT4a
... that Dagmar Schmidt (pictured), who became a member of the German parliament in 2013 as mother of a baby with Down syndrome, stated in a debate about prenatal testing that there should be a "right not to know"?
- ALT4a
- ALT5
... that in a parliamentary debate about prenatal testing, Dagmar Schmidt (pictured) urged that parents of children with trisomy 21 should not have to justify their children's birth?
- ALT5a ... that in a Bundestag debate about prenatal testing, Dagmar Schmidt (pictured) urged that no parent should have to justify the birth of a child with trisomy 21?
- Thank you for an overwhelming Willkommenskultur for my concerns! I am afraid that word is not really known in English, so strike those where the sentence doesn't work without. ALT 3 misses that she isn't just a woman, but member of national parliament. ALT4 and ALT5 are promising. In ALT4, prenatal testing should come before "right not to know". In ALT5, we should mention - or at least link to - Bundestag (vs. some local parliament), link to trisomy 21, and avoid repetition of children. - The pic looks great now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Good points. Trying again, any better? —Kusma (t·c) 22:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
yes, much better!! I approve both, my personal preference being ALT4a. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Alt 4a is no good - it reads that being the mother of a baby with Down syndrome is what qualified her to become a member of the Bundestag. 5a is OK - the link to the better-known Down Syndrome via trisomy 21 is a bit Easter Eggy but you are out to snag the reader and it certainly does that. Yomanganitalk 09:27, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- Good points. Trying again, any better? —Kusma (t·c) 22:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- ALT4b ... that Dagmar Schmidt (pictured), who was elected to the German parliament in 2013 shortly after giving birth to a son with Down syndrome, stated in a debate about prenatal testing that there should be a "right not to know"?
- That's fine if it isn't too long. You might want to add "September" in somewhere in the article for the elections to cement the "shortly after" in the hook. Yomanganitalk 10:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- thank you, both! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
