Template:Did you know nominations/A Spy on Mother Midnight
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 22:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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A Spy on Mother Midnight
- ... that the 1748 chapbook A Spy on Mother Midnight includes sex scenes with cross-dressing and a dildo? Source: p. 32 of the book, https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_a-spy-on-mother-midnight_1748/page/n33/mode/2up
- ALT1: ... that the 1748 pornographic chapbook A Spy on Mother Midnight references a midwife in the title because they were considered bawdy figures in the eighteenth century? Source: "The presence of Mother Midnight ... hints at the explicit direction the tale will take, as midwives were known often to function as bawds. With this dual function, as Deborah Needleman Armintor notes, these women 'held a high place in the eighteenth-century literary imagination because of what was presumed to be their unlimited access to medical information . . . and their supposed first-hand knowledge of women’s secret sexual pleasures and proclivities.' The unshockable and permissive character of the midwife thus suggests sexual license." p. 272-3, Thomason, Laura E. (2009). "The Covert Homoeroticism of A Spy on Mother Midnight". The Eighteenth Century. 50 (4): 271–283.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Oxford History of Christian Worship
Improved to Good Article status by LEvalyn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
- ALT0 is very unlikely to fly per WP:DYKFICTION. Is there a reason the article describes the narrator as "Richard F------", given that Wikipedia is not censored?--Launchballer 18:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The character's name is censored in the original book. I think the real-world implication of ALT0 is the age of the book: it would be unsurprising to learn that this sort of material is in a contemporary book, but people are often unaware that dildos and cross-dressing existed in the eighteenth century, or that 18thC books had sex in them. What do you think of ALT2 below? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2... that the 1748 chapbook A Spy on Mother Midnight is studied for its sex scenes with cross-dressing and a dildo? Sources: Thomason, Laura E. (2009). "The Covert Homoeroticism of A Spy on Mother Midnight; Savage, Elizabeth (Fall 2012). "Phallic nationalism: limits of male homosocial desire in A Spy on Mother Midnight"; Donoghue, Emma (1996). Passions between women: British lesbian culture, 1668-1801; Park, Julie (2020). "Writing with Pen and Dildo: Libertine Techniques of Eighteenth-Century Narrative"; Klein, Ula Lukszo (2018). "Dildos and Material Sapphism in the Eighteenth Century"
- @Launchballer: just wanted to make sure you saw my reply above. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 01:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- The character's name is censored in the original book. I think the real-world implication of ALT0 is the age of the book: it would be unsurprising to learn that this sort of material is in a contemporary book, but people are often unaware that dildos and cross-dressing existed in the eighteenth century, or that 18thC books had sex in them. What do you think of ALT2 below? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I did, I just forgot all about it. ALT2 (and ALT1) are both short enough, AGF sourced, and interesting. Full review needed.--Launchballer 07:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Article is a new GA and long enough. It's well sourced (with AGF on contents supported by offline sources), neutral, and copyvio free, as well as supported with freely-licensed images complete with captions. All hooks are cited, but I have a strong preference to ALT1, which is better and no more sensational than the other hooks. QPQ has been given, so this is good to go. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just popping in as the GA reviewer to say that I find the original hook (and ALT2) to be much better than ALT1. -- asilvering (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)